Hi all,
I’m seeing a lot of hate for capitalism here, and I’m wondering why that is and what the rationale behind it is. I’m pretty pro-capitalism myself, so I want to see the logic on the other side of the fence.
If this isn’t the right forum for a political/economic discussion-- I’m happy to take this somewhere else.
Cheers!
I don’t know. I get way more done and thus better money working for somebody who knows how to deal with all the bullshit like legal issues, marketing and sales.
Nobody has a problem with people being specialized or having roles. If anything anti-capitalist rhetoric is rooted in making sure all specialized roles get paid well instead of just the ones at the top.
We all need garbage collectors and sewage treatment workers but for some reason we want to pretend those working these jobs deserve to be paid less than executives make in a day.
The idea that workers, the people who are actually making a product, should have (at the very least) a stake in owning the means of that production, should be self-evident. There is an entire class of people, who have all the power and money, that are essentially unnecessary middle men that add nothing of value to society.
And somehow, they’ve convinced most of the world that we should be grateful for it.
I’m sure most of the world think differently if they had the time to think and discuss the underpinnings of our society. Most people are getting home off a 9 hour shift and don’t want to read about philosophy even if they had endless free time.
However, as far as I know, every communist experiment has replicated a class system based on the prestige of one’s occupation. A cleaner wasn’t quite the same person as a high-ranking member of the communist party in Soviet Union, for instance.
I’m very interested in learning about theories how to circumvent such structures and systems from happening. It seems to me like it cannot be done with our current species, and communist theory definitely wasn’t enough to counter that (apparently) natural process.
So if you are ever critical of capitalism you’re part of whatever communist experiment you’re talking about?
Seems like quite the assumption and justification for the world being unjust. Capitalist realism isn’t something you should fly as a defense of capitalism, it just shows you aren’t willing to be critical of it and therefore have to be critical of something that many could argue never existed as Marx even said communism can’t really exist unless everyone is living in a stateless and classless society.
Might I add it’s really wild you think the economic system that has existed for maybe 200 years of the hundreds of thousands of human existence as natural.
I mean… you made lots of good points and then you end with this:
Don’t do that. It invalidates your message.
Sorry, was an attempt to come off as light hearted and not a pedantic asshole but I think you’re right and it makes me seem more the latter.
Division of labor and delegation can be good things. The problem is tying that to incentive structures and tying those incentive structures to the most basic necessities of human life.