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MrMakabar ( MrMakabar@slrpnk.net )  to Europe@feddit.deEnglish · 3 years ago

Boris Johnson tasked security force to plan a raid on a vaccine plant in the Netherlands

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Boris Johnson tasked security force to plan a raid on a vaccine plant in the Netherlands

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MrMakabar ( MrMakabar@slrpnk.net )  to Europe@feddit.deEnglish · 3 years ago
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Boris Johnson considered ‘raid’ on vaccine plant in the Netherlands
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Covid inquiry expected to be told that the former PM was open to ‘military options’ to obtain ‘impounded’ jabs from factory in Leiden
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    Wouldn’t this invoke NATO against the UK and demand a lot of reparations?

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      I assume you mean Article 5, and no, yes, maybe, but probably no.

      Article 5’s requirement is that the members convene to discuss a response to an attack, not an obligation to attack.

      Furthermore, this sounds more like an even dumber dumb Watergate, but with arguably, a moral justification i.e. covert burglary, maybe even armed robbery, for vaccines contracted to the UK.

      • geissi ( geissi@feddit.de ) 
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        Article 42.7 of the EU Charta would also apply and is a bit more direct:

        If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power

        https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2009_2014/documents/sede/dv/sede200612mutualdefsolidarityclauses_/sede200612mutualdefsolidarityclauses_en.pdf

      • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺 ( tryptaminev@feddit.de ) 
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        It is not armed robbery when the military is sent to another country. war is ultimately always about ressources, so you could argue every war to just be an armed robbery gone wrong.

        If someone sends their military to another coubtry without this countries explicit consent it is an act of war.

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          You can semantically argue anything you want, but ultimately I can’t imagine any scenario where this would have been an actual war, or even resembling one.

          If the goal was to seize assets contained within a one, or just several buildings, the most likely way this would have played out would have been covert foreign intelligence teams, not an SAS commando raid with a bodycount.

          Would it have been incredibly dumb, and probably end up with the intelligence officers/assets arrested? Sure.

          Would it have been anything like a HVT snatch and grab in Afghanistan? No. Just no.

          Like I said, an even dumber, dumb Watergate.

      • jormaig ( jormaig@programming.dev ) 
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        Yes I meant article 5 but did not remember the number 🙈🙈. Thanks!

    • CJOtheReal ( CJOtheReal@ani.social ) 
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      Thats the same question as with Greece and Turkey.

      But in the end the entire EU would stand against them for shure. And USA would either not interfere or be on EUs side.

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        Not much of a question. If a NATO country attacks another NATO country then the attacked country still has the right to invoke article 5.

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      Nah, not if the UK calls it the Leiden Invasion Act /s

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