willing to bet the driver of the tiny truck has a bigger… ahem
Fuel range? Yea probably
Body shaming is not okay.
Neither is trashing the climate with pointlessly big vehicles just to compensate for whatever insecurities they have. We need to either tax or regulate these stupid vehicles back to a reasonable and safe size.
It’s not just big vehicles that do that. For instance I wouldn’t call a supra a big vehicle but when they wake me up at 3 AM because they have to be louder than fire sirens I feel like that is compensating as well.
You agree that body shaming is not okay and yet you contribute to it. Why?
We are criticizing the cult of toxic masculinity, not body types.
who did that?
Not sure if you’re serious but i will answer as if you were.
A common attack against people with large trucks is that they have a large truck to compensate having a small penis. This implies having a small penis is bad/unacceptable. This is obvious body shaming but also contributes to toxic masculinity.
Both of these are unacceptable.There are many alternative ways to talk shit without playing into these kinds of comments and TBH, the compensation comments have been used so much and are so obviously baseless that they don’t hit very hard, IMO.
well, i didn’t actually say that, and i’m not responsible for others filling in the blanks with their own negative thoughts. as you can see, several others actually managed to conclude something different.
don’t blame the Rorschach test because you see something you don’t like.
Blocked. User has nothing useful to contribute and will argue in bad faith when called out.
At least I won’t be hearing anymore from you.
I didn’t actually say it I just heavily implied it 🤓
Death wish? I love kei trucks but I fear getting into a mash up in one of them.
*nervous laughter in cyclist*
Exactly. Death wish is inversely proportional to vehicle size.
But only one can crush a toddler without you even feeling it.
Buy the new Ford Infanticide 5000. You’re American. You deserve it.
Not just toddlers. All children under ten are invisible!
With the right lift kit even adults are not safe.
I’m a tall male (6’3") and even I worry about being seen over the hood of those monstrosities.
After many years of driving different cars/trucks/other I want to know why at some point in the year 2000 decided that vision out of a moving vehicle was secondary to swoopy body lines. Get in something from the 60’s and you can see amazing (even in a boat of a car) yet by 2006 you can not see shit. for example:
Chad 1966 Chrysler 300:
2020 Chrysler 300:
Safety priority for those inside the vehicle. Significant improvement in side impact protection came around in the 2000’s. At the cost of thicker pillars, taller thicker doors, heavier cars.
Gotta appreciate the writers on GTA 6, reality is going to make that a really hard gig.
One is a truck made for actual work and the other is an abomination pretending to be a truck.
Towing capacity, payload weight, carrying 3 more people, bed width, drivetrain? I think many trucks are way too big, and it’s silly to own a big work truck if you just use it to go to the grocery store but it’s really about so much more than bed size.
Also, one of these actually needs and uses the bed, the other one doesn’t.
Yes but one is for work while the other is a compensation device
the larger one does do more:
- Pick up 3 extra people
- Can roll down the back window to let long planks of wood through
These are the only extra advantages I can see, and they are seldom use cases at best.
Fine, if you’re a contractor driving your workers to/from work whilst carrying all the equipment, on a daily basis, such a truck is very useful.
But how many people who drive these do that?
Nobody does work out of that truck, it has a bed cover and the wheels don’t look like they have any mud or dirt caked in the tread/wheels. It’s a little pavement princess that probably carries one person 75% of the time.
25% is really high. I doubt most of these ever see another ass.
I really like my 2003 Ford ranger. It’s small, but can still haul enough that it works perfectly fine for when I’m picking up dirt for my garden. But also it’s definitely not fuel efficient in the way that I’d want it to be. I wish they made something that size but newer.
Small???
Man, I tried finding one of those cool websites where you can put like two cars together to compare their size. But it doesn’t have the year of my ranger. But yeah, they’re smaller than the new trucks by a lot. And they weigh about half as much. If you can get one of the older Toyota’s or like a cool little Datsun, they’re a little bit smaller, but really kind of in the mid 2000s was when trucks really started blowing up in size and absurdity.
As in, not grotesquely oversized?
2002 Tundra here. It is definitely the perfect size for a truck. However, now that it’s pretty old and beat up, and I’ve moved into a denser city, I think it’s getting time for something new :(
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a small ranger
I really like my two-and-a-half-tonnes death machine. It’s small, but can still haul enough that it works perfectly fine for when I need to dispose bodies that I just ran over. But also it’s definitely not fuel efficient in the way that I’d want it to be. I wish they made something that size but newer.
My ranger is 3200 pounds.
Edit: Just checked cuz I was curious, and that is only 300 lb more than the Tesla model 3. Your comment felt rude and unnecessarily aggressive. I hope you’re having a good night.
But since the kei truck cannot travel over 55 mph, that makes it more dangerous!
Probably same engine capacity too.
I own one of these small trucks, a Mitsubishi Minicab. It has a 660cc engine. Nowhere close to the same engine capacity.
I had a Yamaha fjr1300 motorcycle. The engine in it was almost twice that truck engine
Is that a joke?
I don’t get where all the chunkiness came from. Even ignoring the bed length and width, what is all that extra height doing?
EPA regulations that car manufacturers used as a way to game the system by not focusing on ICE efficency, hybridization, transitioning to electric sooner.
This is the same reason sedans have gotten larger or disappeared in favor of “cross-overs”.
Making insecure men feel better about themselves.
The march towards deathproofing at any expense (like vision and crash reduction) and also cheap styling involving a lot of plastic (it cheap).
Carrying 5 people in comfort while towing a trailer as well?
If you’re hitching a trailer anyway then why bother with the truck bed at all? Just get a minivan with a decent engine.
Minivans can haul about 3500lbs, which might work for some situations.
My dad’s VW Touareg could tow like 7700 lbs, which is more than a lot of trucks and easily enough to pull plenty of boats and campers. Even a compact SUV that can tow 3500 lbs can pull some boats and campers as long as people don’t buy giant oversized versions of those, too.
Dunno, do either of these things have towbars? Toyota Hiace might but I genuinely don’t know
No clue why people buy kei cars from Japan when they can pick up the left hand drive version of the kei cars from Taiwan.
If I want to get a small truck or something similar what can you recommend that’s available in North America? (Serious)
You can buy a really old small truck.
Basically have to import something due to the silly laws around new trucks. Kei trucks (the cool one in the picture) now cost a lot but are great.
I’d skip the Santa Cruz largely since Hyundai/Kia are experts at cost-cutting that blows up big in customer faces down the line. (anti-theft, engines, warranty work, wiring, etc.) but your options are already limited so I wouldn’t blame you for getting it. I’d get the base engine/transmission though if you anticipate stop/go traffic or off-road use since the dual-clutch in the upper engine option is better than dry clutch models but IMHO still suspect.
I would lean towards the Maverick but neither are really “small” since they’re still pretty long.
There’s the Transit Connect if you want a cargo van that’s compact.
And they look to have the same/comparable ride height/total height
It’s wider though right
Kinda, Not really.
The Suzuki Carry has a bed width of 1585mm (62.4") the Silverado has a max bed width of 64.8" (1646mm) so 60mm/2.5" wider. But the Silverado’s bed isn’t rectangular, ie if you want to lay something flat, the widest it can be is 50" (1270mm). That’s a foot narrower than the Suzuki.
The Silverado has higher walls which imo isn’t really a plus or minus. (More bulk materials, and less need to tie things down, but harder to access the things).
There are a lot of other differences in available configurations. I think the reason a lot of people prefer Silverados boil down to esthetics, and the perceptions of others. I think that for a lot of men, pickup trucks are an expression of their masculinity. They want something big and powerful that they can take into the woods and be manlytm with.
A Carry is very practical and if I owned a landscaping business I think that’s what I’d want my crews to be driving.
But also, I’m not a business owner. I’m a man and I get it. Honestly I’d way rather own that enormous impractical pickup. I’m more likely to be hauling hockey gear than lumber and drywall. I’m tall and girthy, I appreciate a spacious cab. I have child seats in my car.
Maybe men should stop pretending they don’t care a lot about fun.
Edit to add: but I do agree we need society to be less car/truck centric.
The Suzuki Carry, like many kei trucks has foldable bed sidewalls, like those home Depot trucks. So Americans would never go for it as it’s not sexy.
At $14,000 for a used 94 variant, not sure if it’s worth it.
It’s not about what you have, it’s what you do with it. I have carried things in my small sedan that you would never believe. You are just underestimating japanese tech and Mexican capacity for not giving an f.
And taller. And it can haul far more weight. And simultaneously carry a team of workers.
Haven’t seen a single one of those (right) hauling workers. On the other (left) hand, I’ve seen those haul workers every single time.
That’s anecdotal evidence, I’ve never even seen a kei truck in real life but that doesn’t mean I think they aren’t out there, and sure you could fit a couple guys up front. But I’ve seen plenty of teams of 4 or sometimes even more come piling out of a work truck. I’m currently in one with four people right now! And just to be clear I agree there are far too many trucks and not every suburban dad needs one, but you blame the driver not the truck. There are absolutely instances where a full size truck is the best vehicle for the job, just like there are instances where a kei truck makes far more sense.
Of course, but that doesn’t mean one should get it. If you are gonna haul wood once a year, you are not BUYING a log trailer and just tow it behind you vehicle through the city all year - like a sensible person, you rent one for a day or two.
I mean I literally said I agree with this in the comment you are replying too.
You did, but said I blame the driver not the truck. Who else to blame? The driver bought and is using the vehicle. I am not against using a vehicle for it’s job, but so many drivers just don’t do that.
I am sure the F-150 has a legitimate use, but it’s seldom used to it’s full potential, and for some reason it’s MOSTLY used legitimately.
Yeah exactly get mad at the driver who buys a truck they don’t need. But don’t be mad at trucks simply for existing, they have good reasons to exist. That’s the only point I’m trying to make.
Of course not, those are for construction managers. I usually see the workers driving Honda civics.
Lol that thing is pretty cool! But there are a lot of jobs it couldn’t do that you’d need a full size truck for!
Ok this one then.
Or maybe a van which does all of the above and also keeps your stuff dry and locked away.
Again, those are nice vehicles but can’t replace a truck for certain things. A truck can haul much more weight and I wouldn’t want a van because a lot of the time the stuff we’re hauling is too big to fit inside or just straight up garbage and debris that I’d rather have in an outside bed.
Ford F150 max payload: 1508kg
Renault Master max payload: 1,610kg
I mean the whole rest of the world seems to manage just fine without these, and we have tradesmen as well? The cabins can be as clean or dirty as you need, I’ve seen everything, loading trash or debris is also fine. If you’re really carrying mostly gravel or other type of stuff like that then you’d have something specialized for that with a much bigger box than on your pickups, or rent it for the job.
But looking at your other comments in the thread I see that you’re just set in your ideas and just looking at finding justifications for niche cases where it might be a superior vehicle, which I don’t deny certainly exist, but that’s not the problem, the problem is these are a dime a dozen if not the majority on your roads, and they’re not at all good as normal vehicles whereas the vans are. Also they’re honestly just superior in pretty much every way, flat bottom, low load-in height, can accept pallets, stuff stays dry, locked, engines are efficient and not crazy oversize and gaz-guzzling, they have good viewing angles at the front (e.g. you would see a child in front of the vehicle), etc etc etc.
So you agree with me than? Idk how many times I have to say yes I agree most people don’t need trucks, I don’t personally like trucks nor have I ever had one and I don’t plan on ever getting one, but they should still exist for those niche cases (although there seems to be more than you think exist). I’ll admit I was wrong about a trucks payload when compared to a van but it still wouldn’t work for most of the work I do. If you wanna carry the four person team that I work with they’d have to sit in the back taking away from the space required to haul materials, not to mention even if we wanted to drop two guys and have the full cargo space we still wouldn’t be able to haul as much as we can in our truck bed.
Also I agree vans are superior in a lot of ways, if they work for you I would absolutely suggest getting one instead of a truck, and some of your points are great but I gotta ask. You think trucks can’t accept pallets?! I feel like it’s far easier to put a pallet in a truck than a van lol. Not to mention you can stack multiple pallets on a truck! Also the low flat bottom is certainly a plus for some cases but that’s negative for when we need to haul materials off road on some shitty lumpy mud trails. And as far as gas guzzling goes trucks have become a lot more efficient over the years, obviously they’re still about the worst personal vehicles you can get as far as gas mileage goes but vans aren’t that much better.
Tbh I was going to say that at least some of the new fangled pick ups have easy to remove wheels, most of that stuff is easy to check, replace tires etc, but besides that from what I’ve been told they’re as much a pain to drive as they are to giveaway to
