- wasabi ( @wasabi@lemmy.eco.br ) English94•1 year ago
It means I’ll continue to happily use Linux.
- AndrewZabar ( @AndrewZabar@beehaw.org ) English29•1 year ago
Lol likewise!
I used to use OneDrive but they recently shrunk down everyone’s free storage capacity to laughably small space and now wish for everyone to subscribe to more paid space.
🖕🏼bye bye OneDrive.
- Meow.tar.gz ( @ablackcatstail@lemmy.goblackcat.com ) English10•1 year ago
Yeah, fuck one drive! Microsoft can eat my entire ass.
- tabasko ( @tabasko@sopuli.xyz ) English4•1 year ago
Haha, I second that
- Monomate ( @Monomate@lemm.ee ) English7•1 year ago
I’m out of the loop on this subject. I know Onedrive previously offered 15GB to free users, then strunk it to 5GB, but kept the larger amount to legacy users.
Have they made another reduction recently?
- Starya68 ( @Starya68@beehaw.org ) English7•1 year ago
That’s cute. But there is software that only runs on Windows. And some people have to use it.
- Darkrai ( @Darkrai@kbin.social ) 4•1 year ago
winehq.org runs most everything now. What can’t you get to run?
- delollipop ( @delollipop@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year ago
even proprietary softwares? Not that I like to run them, but some uni workstations have them and sometimes they’re unescapable :(
- frog 🐸 ( @frog@beehaw.org ) English77•1 year ago
Wouldn’t moving Windows into the cloud basically make computers non-functional without internet? Because I can see a few problems with that, particularly for those in rural areas or who are travelling a lot.
I’ve hesitated to switch over to Linux in recent years, primarily due to concerns about compatibility with software and games, but I’d rather have to find new art software than pay a subscription for an operating system that I can’t even use offline.
- Meow.tar.gz ( @ablackcatstail@lemmy.goblackcat.com ) English34•1 year ago
It does not mean anything for me because I am not a Windows user. For Windows users it means subscription models and renting software. It could also mean eventually booting your computer into a desktop that is in the cloud. I hope to god that does not happen because it may make finding hardware that will run Linux and BSD that much harder.
- TheTrueLinuxDev ( @TheTrueLinuxDev@beehaw.org ) English9•1 year ago
I don’t think it’s possible for them to do so, because that would means killing the gaming aspect of Windows. GPU on cloud is stupidly overpriced and expensive, just look at Standard_NV6 for an example, it easily cost $10,000/yr according to this (Just look for anything that have “N” in it’s name for GPU enabled VM and they are all expensive.)
If they try to ban everyone from being allowed to use their own computer hardware, I really doubt people would stay on Windows, they most likely would be in the 5 stages of griefs and then contemplate on switching to either Linux or Mac OSX.
- techviator ( @techviator@kbin.social ) 32•1 year ago
My take on this Cloud-First-Windows vision that was leaked from a Microsoft presentation with very little details and just a lot of speculation:
If it actually happens, it will be more similar to a Chromebook, they will provide, likely an ARM based, low specs device with a basic Windows install that perhaps only has the cloud-connector (probably RDP based), One Drive to sync files, and Edge with extensions to run Office365 in offline mode.
Apps would just be either web-wrapper based apps, or RDP Apps, or you could just deploy your cloud desktop to do some work that requires more power.
I also think they would still provide an x86_64 based Windows for more powerful PCs for content creators and gamers.
- giloronfoo ( @giloronfoo@beehaw.org ) 2•1 year ago
In the very late 90s or early 2000s there was a leaked “October papers” or something like that. It detailed Microsoft’s plan to move to Windows as a service. It seems like it is taking longer than they thought, but they’ve been moving this way for a long time.
I wish I kept a copy or was better at searching the old internet…
- kelvinjps ( @kelvinjps@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year ago
yeah it would be something like this, a probably windows 365 will work as the google one
- theshatterstone54 ( @theshatterstone54@feddit.uk ) English30•1 year ago
It means Windows is switching to a subscription model. It could be a good thing for some Linux users, if they need Windows for specific applications and don’t want to spin up a VM. O can’t see a reason for using it beyond that, other than being forced to, because Microsoft kills off yoir local Windows and turns your computer for a bootloader for a cloud system, which is itself a bootloader for your browser, for most people. What a terrible world we live in. Zero privacy guaranteed, a subscription model making Windows more profitable (again).
ALSO, good luck stripping down Windows, removing bloatware, ads and telemetry. I GUARANTEE you it will be impossible to remove ads and telemetry on Windows in the Cloud. And thus that crap will be FORCED on you!
- kent_eh ( @kent_eh@lemmy.ca ) English15•1 year ago
However, since most retail hardware is built to target Windows compatibility, it could mean fewer options for hardware that will be easy to install Linux (or any other OS) on.
In fact, I would count on Microsift making their hardware spec intentionally be difficult to load anything “unapproved” on.
- Kerb ( @Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de ) English2•1 year ago
they are doing that already with secureboot.
altho i fortunatley haven’t encountered machines yet where you can’t disable it.
- Rentlar ( @Rentlar@beehaw.org ) English10•1 year ago
Precisely. Putting more of the control onto Microsoft server means this: you do anything that they don’t like? No Windows for you. Oh, now we need more money so now we’re putting in a shitty change, don’t like it? Suck it up.
- Deathsauce ( @Deathsauce@kbin.social ) 19•1 year ago
I personally don’t see the “Eureka!” moment that big tech apparently does in moving EVERYTHING to the cloud when they struggle to design safe and reliable services as is. The whole cloud stuff just kind of says “sure it will be a privacy nightmare rife for exploitation from bad actors, but THINK of the money we could earn from it in the long run!”
- Deluxeparrot ( @deluxeparrot@feddit.uk ) 10•1 year ago
That’s basically it. They keep control. They can charge subscriptions. They own it. Not you.
- Deathsauce ( @Deathsauce@kbin.social ) 3•1 year ago
Corporations will literally do anything except act remotely ethically towards consumers.
- Deemo ( @Deemo@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English13•1 year ago
I doubt people will pay for a windows subscription. Most will stay on 10/11 indefinitely and Microsoft will probably backtrack pretty quickly (look at windows 10 to 11 migration) 😉
- Balssh ( @Balssh@kbin.social ) 10•1 year ago
And some will probably give Linux a try. I only stopped pirating Windows because it got free, but I have no intention to pay a subscription to be able to use my fucking PC.
- PenguinTD ( @PenguinTD@lemmy.ca ) English8•1 year ago
everytime I am tempted at thinking maybe give w11 a try then some news pop up about how badly they put ad in everywhere. :P
- thecodemonk ( @thecodemonk@programming.dev ) English11•1 year ago
With the state of internet speeds in the US? No. This won’t work.
- vraylle ( @vraylle@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year ago
Bingo! Rural in particular is slow and unreliable. Something like this isn’t a practical option even if I was OK with it. I’m already planning to switch to Linux when I get a new PC or when Windows 10 hits EoL. This would make the switch a necessity.
- gortbrown ( @gortbrown@lemmy.sdf.org ) English11•1 year ago
I’m not entirely a fan the idea of having my OS run somewhere other than my own computer, unless it’s like a remote lab I use for specific tasks. Like if I could use Linux, and just use this for my classes that run Windows exclusive software, then I’d maybe use it. Otherwise I think it’s a bit weird to have your whole computer basically be in the cloud.
- blirdo ( @blirdo@beehaw.org ) English5•1 year ago
Yeah, good luck preventing forced “upgrades/updates” every time a new Windows OS comes out too. No thanks, I’ll take my software locally thank you haha.
- mawkler ( @mawkler@lemmy.ml ) English11•1 year ago
“You will own nothing and be happy”
- techno156 ( @techno156@kbin.social ) 8•1 year ago
That sounds like a horrid decision. Imagine having to troubleshoot a relative’s computer, which isn’t working because their internet is down, or is too slow to support streaming Windows like that.
It just sounds like a nightmare all-round, both from a Microsoft Standpoint, since they would have to build all the hardware to support it, people who would have to troubleshoot an issue that might show up on either the local or networked version of Windows, but not both, and from a security standpoint, since it seems like it would make it a lot easier to just hijack the whole computer using that kind of mechanism, with the user being none the wiser, for the most part.
- axum ( @axum@kbin.social ) 7•1 year ago
Considering how stadia panned out, this is a nothing burger for at least the next decade.
- PenguinTD ( @PenguinTD@lemmy.ca ) English7•1 year ago
honestly if not for DirectX and whatever windows specific thing, I would have use linux for a long time cause I am heavy gamer. I know this version of windows OS is probably experimenting offering stuff that are directly on the cloud(like office/team etc), I don’t see them suddenly throw away local OS market and just let whoever wants to take over. (oh, and all the telemetry data, right? )
- sfera ( @sfera@beehaw.org ) English7•1 year ago
Telemetry won’t be a topic anymore under such circumstances because will be implicit and the least of your worries. Tracking the input of the users will be part of the service they are paying for.
- sadreality ( @sadreality@kbin.social ) 7•1 year ago
made a switch to linux recently due win11 changing privacy settings with updates and installing tiktok icons. i paid good moeny for this hardware, fuck off satya microsft
steam on linux supports everything i play but CoD and new BF so not a big loss imho
- PenguinTD ( @PenguinTD@lemmy.ca ) 2•1 year ago
I also hope that software companies also move to have better support on linux. (so home/work can all be on more stable OS. ) Using api wrapper isn’t really a good solution.
- HughJanus ( @HughJanus@lemmy.ml ) English6•1 year ago
I don’t understand what any of this means. Windows is now just Edge?
- Frog-Brawler ( @Frog-Brawler@kbin.social ) 6•1 year ago
It means we’re about to see a lot more people asking for help with Linux.
- Balssh ( @Balssh@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
I’ll be more than happy for more people to migrate to linux (or mac, but many people just can’t afford it) so MS doesn’t have such a monopoly on the OS space.
- LennethAegis ( @LennethAegis@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
That’s something I want to do, but I’m afraid of missing something while backing up up my files and losing it in the OS wipe. It’s a lousy excuse, I know, but it still stops me. Mostly since I play a lot of games and don’t want to lose any save files tucked away somewhere unexpected.
That stuff should all be in C:/Users, but what if its not. And would have to go to each of my installed pieces of software to make sure any of my files are properly backed up which is so much work. Which only reveals another issue that I am terrible at keeping my stuff backed up.
- Darkrai ( @Darkrai@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
Just dual boot at first, you don’t have to wipe the windows partition. That way if/when you find a save file you need to copy over, you can go looking for it on your still existing Windows drive
- LennethAegis ( @LennethAegis@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
I know I don’t want to dual boot permanently, but I had not thought about doing it for just the setup period.
- millie ( @millie@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year ago
It’s honestly really nice to have that second OS if something goes wrong with the first drive.
- 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘 ( @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ) 1•1 year ago
Honestly, I see that as a win.