“observing changes the result” doesn’t mean conciousness attempting to look at it changes the result, there is nothing special about conciousness (in quantum mechanics)
“observing changes the result” means we try to measure atoms and fields but unfortunately our measurement tools are also made out of atoms and fields which interact with the atoms and fields we are trying to measure, giving us a different result than if we don’t attempt to measure it
It does bring up interesting questions about what the “real” behavior of reality is tho, since anything we observe is technically different than what it would be if left alone. We can only ever know what a slightly altered state of reality is
Every road leads to Plato’s cave
What if you just measure the ambient particles
Then you are measuring something with matter still and it then affects it. Literally causing interactions to measure means altering it’s state even at a nonchalant glance.
hmm, I can get how that might cause the measured item to say, change its velocity, but not how that would cause a wave to collapse into a single point.
Measuring is a loaded misnomer. Interacting with a particle changes what the particle is doing. There is no such thing as nondestructive testing in quantum physics.
Measuring just happens to be something we do a lot which necessarily causes particle interactions.
Right but how do you measure the things around what you are trying to measure and get any data from it unless you expect them to also interact with the things you are measuring.
You have to have an interaction to measure even if you are measuring the outcome and steps away from the original interaction.
It’s like measuring dark matter where the easiest way to prove it’s existence was to wait and capture the decay of it but not the particle itself. But that means the particle was already gone when we got the measurements to prove it was there.
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) English8•7 months ago
“Consciousness affects outcomes” is such a cringe take, it’s more like, you’re in a 3d slice of time and where you inhabit is based on what you do and you’re allowed to do anything within that as long as it’s self-consistent, with things self-correcting if they’re not.
Continental philosophy in a nutshell. Find some cool sciencey concept, and abstract it beyond anything that is reasonable.
What would oceanic philosophy be then? Dilute everything?
Continental philosophy is so named because the Brits referred to the philosophers in continental Europe thus. The opposing school is more generally known as analytical philosophy, and posits that rigorous logic can be applied to philosophy.
Continental philosophy: “love should be a dimension, just like time, that would be awesome.”
Analytical philosophy: “I’ll buy you a beer if you can prove to me that the electron exists.”
So, continental philosophy then simply introduces more variables to tackle the problem, while analytical philosophy tries to make actual progress?
Sort of. Continental philosophy is great if you’re a stoner, a hopeless romantic, have preconceived religious notions that your philosophy must have a carve out for, or if you write for Hollywood.
Sometimes you get all four. See for example, the “totally scientifically plausible movie, Interstellar!” which posits that love permits time travel… Which this meme format would work great for ;)
a hopeless romantic
so basically french, then
I wouldn’t call it weird, just unconventional.
I believe once we fully understand consciousness, we’ll understand the nature of reality. Of course, I could be wrong.
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) English2•7 months ago
We’re never going to ‘understand consciousness’ because it comes to conclusions we don’t like, so it’s in our best interests to not understand it.
Quantum mechanics makes no difference, just throw cheese at it, if it eats the cheese it’s cool and we can get along, if it doesn’t we need to shoot it.
Hey, that’s racist against asian people.
I wish conciousness had a role in it, because that would imply we had some kind of essence that effected the universe, something we could call a soul
all i know about quantum physics is that its what killes black dwarfs