Please stop reporting all OF models as spam. If a post is off-topic, report is as off-topic. If community rules forbid OF models from posting, report that. If a user is flooding a sub with multiple posts a day in a row, that’s a legit report as well.
Otherwise a post by an OF model is not in and of itself spam, even if it is made by a <ferengi>female</ferengi> with the temerity to control her own sexuality.
I have a simple solution to this: If you are the moderator of your community, just put a rule in the sidebar disallowing OF links and references. Handle it on a per-community level.
Correct.
I just wish c/gonewild would hold true to what made r/gonewild special. Allowing people who monitize to post there just turns it into a generic porn subscription.
The downside of that is that a lot of OF content is posted to dozens of communities and this fact is the main spam problem with them, not necessarily the content in any particular community on its own.
There is a huge difference between inconsiderate spammers, and adult performers linking to their work.
We all hate the blatant spam on Reddit, but spam is not a unique problem, and it was not invented during the rise of adult content creation. That’s why we have moderation. Know what makes moderation even harder? Abusing the moderation system.
Look, we have an opportunity here to create an active and ethical community of real people who love porn, and SUPPORT the people who create the thing we love.
Even if you never intend to pay for your porn, creators give away TONS of free material, and want to interact and build community here for free.
If you push out creators from every corner of the internet besides behind a paywall, what do you think will be left? I’ll tell you: the 1% of people who are not interested in monetizing their content, and a bunch of stolen shit (for as long as it lasts, until LemmyNSFW gets hit with DMCA takedowns left and right.)
If we went that route, and the site becomes swamped with copyright takedowns, admins here could decide ONLY OC is allowed to be posted, and then yall will have that 1% of people who don’t monetize to choose from. So, you can say goodbye to variety, and goodbye to finding someone who fulfills your particular fetish.
Is that the community you want to build? Sounds pretty oppressive to me.
Very well said. Talented OC creators (including sellers) are always welcomed at communities I moderate here (and on Reddit).
And I gladly nuke spam (very well defined by @hedidwot@lemmynsfw.com in comment ) and spammers (OC or not). Hoping we get better moderation tools and support soon here on Lemmy
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Thanks for taking the time to write this. I agree with everything.
I have no issue with OF, but i don’t want to be overtly advertised to.
If i find myself in a /c where OF spam is out of control and the mods don’t wish to do anything about it then I’ll just move on.
Many NSFW Reddit subs turned to rubbish when OF users spammed the hell out of hundreds of subs, when where there content was not a match for the sub. If this happens here then it will suck as well.
I’m happy for OF users to post content appropriate to the /c they post in and include a link to their OF in the body or in a following message. But having a pair of tits posted in an anal /c along with 50 other /c’s with “My only fans 50% off right now” as the title… thats spam, clear as day, and it has no place.
And for those saying its content, there is no need to grow for the sake of growth, let’s rather grow naturally and at a steady pace and maintain some quality.
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…you guys know we need more porn on here, right? The low quantity is likely hurting our retention a little bit. Can’t they just get a sub or something? It’s content, guys. We need content. Just give them a space.
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I’m gonna be really blunt here, idk how it’ll be received, but: without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.
I just see so many people on Reddit claim to only love “true amateur” content, but that content almost always gets hugely downvoted or goes unnoticed on the big subreddits. I think it’s because people who don’t profit from their stuff aren’t always trying to make content with the widest appeal possible. They don’t tend to care as much about being perfectly lit up so every nipple detail is visble. Or about getting the pose just right. Many won’t want to show their face. You’d think the clearly true amateur stuff would be more celebrated, but it seems people want to see women make huge amounts of pro-level content just for funsies. That’s not really realistic.
I’ve noticed that when people say they love amateur content, they really mean they love professional level content that they don’t have to pay for
Back when amateur content was popular on reddit it actually went well… I actually think the prominence of OF posters has put off the original amateurs.
I think if it’s done well both can co-exist with care and attention to rules. A pro OF community can permit OF advertisers if they want. But while having overt OF spam might add content, it will at the same time drive viewers away.
Also suggesting people that don’t want to be advertised to are anti sex work is stupid, and the few fools who have said as much are really just stupid.
I don’t like ads, any ads, and yet i still support businesses that advertise.
Edit: r/bigonewild banned OF posters and it turned into such a sausagefest that they changed their description to make it into a stated bi male centric community.
do you think that could be because the women were just lying about being bi so they had more opportunities to advertise their OF? I think that’s kind of a huge point in support of banning OF ads
sorry for the late reply. I understand your point, but it still illustrates how little contribution an OC community will see from true amateur women with rules like that in place. communities will simply need to decide between allowing men and still having a relatively healthy amount of posts (but they will be mostly of penises), or disallowing men and just not having a lot of content. the choice was easy for r/bigonewild because it was already a space for people who like men. I’d say r/gonewild is a notable exception, but it’s also got a massive viewership that many people will leverage to build an audience before posting their paid links on profile and then receiving a ban. not that there are no unpaid women on that subreddit, there are, but that’s a factor.
The people who like popular porn don’t really go around announcing that they love professional-grade porn. They only do so when talking about the ethical consumption of porn, and their focus is on supporting people for their work, not the appreciation for the high quality or enjoying the financial transaction.
Announcing you like amateur porn is a statement about the flavor of porn you like, and it’s pretty clearly a minority opinion, given what we see reach the tops of the porn forums.
I pretty much only like amateur porn. But you know what? I’m not going to stop anyone else from enjoying the kind of porn they like. Why should I? If you like professional porn, great! If you don’t, that’s okay too. Neither side should judge the other so long as they’re not promoting harmful behavior of one type or another. There’s nothing wrong with making a living by getting naked, there’s nothing wrong with doing it for fun!
I dunno. Maybe I’m just being the salty OF girl, but it doesn’t seem like anyone at all (on Reddit, not here) is willing to do anything besides grumble about advertisement when the subject comes up. I see mods of nsfw subreddits get downvoted to hell when they say they won’t be banning Onlyfans users from posting, followed by tons of upvoted “where are the reeeeal women?” comments. The complaint comments get upvoted more than actual, perfectly good content posted by regular women. I just wish they’d be a little more supportive when those women do post, I suppose.
That being said, I totally agree that people should watch and make porn for whatever reason they please!!
The thing is, my ad block works on stated ads, but it doesn’t work on the subliminal ones such as OF.
All the power in the world to you for doing what you do. I have nothing against it. (I mean, I’m against capitalism in general, but you clearly own the capital in this situation). There should be places where OF women/men can post their profiles so people can find them, the problem is the fact that it’s everywhere that used to be more community and amateur based.
I think it’s fair to say that the gonewild subs/communities have been taken over by folks who are always wild, as it’s their profession. You wouldn’t see pornstars posting on gonewild, because they aren’t “going wild” in the sense of the basis of the subs, the old series Girls Gone Wild. The whole point was that it’s regular people (“hot” or otherwise) posting something risque to step out of their shell. That’s why you’d see a lot of cropped faces and such.
What happened is a few people like the one asian woman who’s name I just can’t remember, who were more attractive than most other posters, started doing it a bit more than just as a dirty little secret. It became the main part of their life. It became a job. Then due to her and others like her, people started getting the idea of OF, where anyone can skip the first part and just start selling sex pics/vids.
I’m not blaming her specifically, especially since I don’t remember her name, but there was a definite change in the atmosphere of the gonewilds and by the end of the recent reddit fallout, most of those subs were 98% OF posts. You could click a username and see the same pic, with what had to be auto-generated titles, to as many possible NSFW subreddits they could find.
A big thing now as well is that the non OF posters are more self conscious in general, and might only be trying to post a few selfies a month. When they see what they competition is like (OF posts), they get discouraged. How is anyone supposed to be into them when all they see are these megahotties and yunghungguns all over the place. amateurs don’t have the lighting and cameras to even compete with the lowliest OF posters. You can act like you support the amateurs as a creator yourself, but then you post next to them and try and act surprised? It’s just a basic difference between amateur and professional (even if it’s not corporate) content.
Honestly I think the biggest issue is that OF is a subscription model which forces workers like you into the shitty situation of having to continually make new content and finding new subs. Imho this ends up making the content very quantity over quality, and forces you all into having to advertise aggressively while being unable or unwilling to pursue normal advertising routes.
Just looking at the top cummunities (lmao) here, most are part of the gonewild trope and they’re all filled to the brim with OF posts. again, you can’t go wild if being wild is your job. You’re just wild.
The German gonewild community banned all commercial posters. Even an onlyfans link in their bio will get you banned. I think the community is still thriving.
My wild guess on this is, that you can go wild in Germany and still have time to do your daily job. And because the german society is not so focused on money in terms of: if you do not have it you cannot get basic necessities like medical interventions or learn a job.
US content creators have a big incentive to monetize everything to the maximum possible.
Edit: germansgonewild has a maximum of two posts in 24 h and a profile wide ban of paid content. No links, no comments etc.
This is an interesting point. If getting by in the USA wasn’t so damn difficult, creators would be less focused on earning money to survive ha.
“Unwilling to pursue normal advertising routes”
Please tell me what those are 😂
We are banned from most platforms. I do YouTube, Twitter, IG, Twitter, and here. I try to build community and if some people want more of me, they can subscribe. I don’t want to spam the communities I create on socials, but I also have to earn a living because I devote a lot of energy and time to content creation 💕 I think this is a happy medium.
But really…where do you suggest I advertise! I truly am all ears
What about pros that started out as legitimate amateurs and are posting vintage or day in the life content? (My situation 😛). I know the style that is popular here and I try to emulate it. A lot of the old content is when I wasn’t a pro yet and was working at a nursing home
I agree. Whether someone is “pro” or doing it because, the attitude should be supportive. Otherwise, the content will be shitty. It will only be dudes reposting weird as stock photos or stolen non consensual content.
It will only be dudes reposting weird as stock photos or stolen non consensual content.
Except for years that wasn’t the case on any of the gonewilds on reddit. You act like without OF people won’t have any access to porn. As if pornhub doesn’t exist, or the million other sites. Cam girls exist too. You clearly miss the reason for the gonewild communities and only see it as a place to act like you’re just some regular girl who’s being dirty. But you’re not, you’re a professional sex worker. There should be a space for OF workers to post their stuff, but it shouldn’t be every single space on this or similar websites.
You’re discriminating against the people who just want to share because it makes them and others feel good. You just want money. You can start as an amateur, but once it’s your job, you aren’t an amateur anymore and don’t get to act like you are, or participate in a community designed for amateurs.
The people who like popular porn don’t really go around announcing that they love professional-grade porn.
clearly you don’t read the comment sections on pornhub. also you’re ignoring the fact that there’s been SO MANY popular porn stars throughout the past 30+ years. You might not be talking to your relatives or coworkers about your favorite porn star, but there are many many places where people do just that.
Why do you assume all this shit is worth getting some cringy amateur content? I don’t even like amateur content when it’s interactive. Those thots can go make videos and sell them on their whatever site, but they shouldn’t talk to me like I’m stupid and thirsty, and they should stay the fuck out of my communities!
Re-read the original comment. Everyone on this thread is talking about OC (aka interactive amateur) communities. If you don’t like that, don’t go to OC communities. Also, you seem kinda unpleasant in general
without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.
Hear hear, why don’t people get this?
Well said.
Aw man, I’m just an exhibitionist that loves showing off and talking to friendly strangers on the internet, and you guys have been so nice 🙁 I paywall some stuff so I can make a little back to justify buying cute outfits lol, but I totally get the frustration with spamming and agree it ruined reddit. Of course I will respect if a community decides I’m no longer welcome, however I will point out that almost all of the top posts on gonewild here are OF models - so a lot of valuable and appreciated content would be lost. Perhaps significantly reducing the allowable posting frequency in the future once there is more content here (e.g 1x post per sub per user per week) would increase posting quality and relevance.
Reducing posting frequency is a great solution.
I think only once per week is a bit extreme, but something like, once per sub per day, and cannot share the same photo in the same sub again until somewhere between 1-6 months have passed.
I think once a day sounds right.
If OF takes a hold of Lemmy like it did Reddit I’ll just defederate from Lemmy all together. Nobody has time for 50 identical posts from the same user only to finish with that user’s posts just in time to pick up another OF user’s 50 identical posts. OF and their repost bot Army ruined entire communities on reddit and they for sure will do the same here if allowed.
“Do older guys even like 18yo girls? Teeheehee”
“My boyfriend made fun of my boobs and says I need implants! Teeheehee”
“Be honest. Would you smash an 18yo virgin??”
Lifts top does a small wiggle “see more on my OF” *posts to 30 other communities"
I’m not mad about it. Y’all should make money on it if you can, but most of this shit is the same and ruined porn on Reddit. I’m sure there’s some that are really into the exhibition of it, and that rocks, but It’ll ruin porn here too.
If spam crossposting becomes an issue, we will address it. The reports we are referring to here are mainly against people who are daring to just post links in the body or comments to their OF. It’s not mass crossposting.
but that’s why people are mad about it. Give them an inch and they take a mile. You don’t wait for the cancer to take hold. You see it, and you treat it as fast as possible.
Can you point out examples where this is happening? Because the mods and admins are unaware.
Otherwise it sounds you’re suggesting killing healthy cells before they have the chance to become cancer cells, which doesn’t seem like great medical advice. (as far as I know. I’m not a doctor.)
I gotcha. Let’s hope it stays that way, you guys are in a tough spot, you need to grow but to grow you need content. OF promises to quickly deliver that content but that content may come at a price, You may lose support from users and potential organic contributors. Good luck guys, I hope that whatever the decision you all take ends up being the best for the instance and for Lemmy as a whole.
Of course. It is a fine line we are towing and figuring out, but overall content creators are being reasonable thus far.
I block all identified OF users. All they do is post UNRELATED items to the community theme. Like what they did on reddit.
The anti-OF posters sound exceedingly hyperbolic. I’m certain there’s a reasonable way to ensure OF/ManyVids/Fansly models are encouraged to post free content here without it consuming the entire site.
But posters demanding that all OF models be banned entirely sound hella unreasonable.
Go make your own community and ban OF models from it
I for one welcome our onlyfans overlords
IDK sounds like spam to me.
Final comment about this because I wanna get off this topic as I’m getting triggered. I’m an exhibitionist AND I need to pay my bills. Idk why I wouldn’t combine those 2 things? I love what I do. I love posting nudes! I love talking to people online. Why would I try to do that as my job if I love it? The only people that will be seeing my link are the people that click on my profile and find it for themselves. Have a good day everyone 😂😛
I think it’s fair for people to be upset when there’s spam on the site. But, we’ve so far had issues with only actual spam but not really any true spam from OF models. It seems so far that content creators have been extra careful on that end. Like, as long as the links are in the body or comments in most communities it is more than fine and thats generally whats been going on currently as far I can see. Sex workers need to make money too and getting instant mass reports on OF models for daring to want to make money off their content they are graciously providing to us for free as a community is downright absurd and deeply annoying to have to sift thru. I can get outright exhibitionist communities, but those need to be clear about such imo.
Honestly whether people want to admit it or not, we need content creators for this community to thrive and grow. If it becomes any issue in the future then a conversation will be had, but there really isn’t any issue at the moment.
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If I don’t want to see content from a community, I block it. If I don’t want to see content from a user, I block them. I’d encourage everyone to do the same.
With that being said, ignore the shitheads and keep your posts coming <3
Yeah i have been feeding the trolls. Time to move on and get back to the good stuff lmao. 💗💗💗
Where’s the line with someone posting to multiple c/s at once and ignoring relevance being spam, even though they may hit a few c/s where is is on topic randomly? When I report for spam, that’s what I’m reporting for, even if I don’t report every post they made.
How should we handle that?
We don’t have a great way to track per-user reports yet, but we do have a kind of running list of repeat offenders. If you report the off-topic posts as off-topic, we’ll notice if it keeps happening.
I personally don’t enjoy OF posts at all. Why would I? I don’t enjoy when prostitutes call me cute either. It’s a business for lonely people.
I post myself, too, but only because I enjoy doing it for free, and because I enjoy genuine reactions by people who also don’t make money with it. If a sex worker with an ad on her profile says " nice dick bro", that doesn’t mean anything to me. My life would have been the same without her comment.
I don’t mind seeing only few, but legitimate posts either. Imho selling should be contained to separate communities, not the other way round (allowing it by default and needing special places without it).
I for one am grateful for the free porn the OF models put out there.
This is a comment I appreciate 😅😅😅
Thanks for saying this…♥️ I’ve been saying this too. Obviously spammy posts within the communities is a turn off. Having a link in our bios to try to earn because we are posting FREE NUDITY is reasonable and necessary.
it’s not free though, if you only do it in return for an advertising space. It’s a business and means nothing to many people.
I personally get no value from your posts. It’s like a beggar playing an instrument on the side of the road to me. I never asked for it, and would never enjoy it nor pay for it.
Of course it is still spammy when 9 out of 10 posts are ads by 9 different women.
Busking is not begging though and they don’t advertise or try to sell you cds. If you give them money they’ll appreciate it but they won’t harass you if you don’t (well there is always bad eggs but they aren’t the majority).
There was an old guy playing violin all year even when it was super cold and I walked past him everyday and gave him some money. Not because he asked but because I wanted to. He was always appreciative and we both had a pleasurable experience.
I believe you can separate your business and private contributions by having an onlyfans link in your bio but not directly advertising it in your posts.
Kind of like I get paid as a software developer professionally but I still contribute to open source in my free time. Of course potential employers could go through my free stuff and then decide that they want to pay me to work for them, but it’s not directly marketing my career for people not interested in it.That’s valid you’re welcome to feel that way. If your preference is no sellers, there will just be much less oc content💕 if you’d rather see dudes posting stuff that’s fair
It’s not OC content to me, when you make money with it.
I have already jerked to a few dicks here, because there weren’t enough real women lol.
Sellers might as well not exist. To me they are meaningless. Like an ad on a billboard. Ok, cool. Don’t care. It doesn’t matter how hot they are, and that their OF is $0.01 with no PPV. I’m just not interested.
OC stands for orginal content
This I’m totaly fine with. I hate being advertised to… really really hate it… … but if i see something i like and there is a subtle link in the message or a comment by OP that is totally fine.
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