I would be here all night if I asked the Lemmy crowd every question I had, but one thing that always has stood out to me is what’s on the tin. Call me one of those childfree peoples for asking it how I did (note ahead of time that I do not judge people who have kids, I just find the alternative better), but it’s a topic I’ve always been in-tune to. It’s noble if you ask me, and instinctively, I make a large mental note whenever it happens, when it’s common amongst a group of people, etc. This shouldn’t be seen as that unusual, it’s just a good gesture and many would be expressing this up here if they have the incentive to.
That said, I noticed a deterence when it comes to “vegans” and “communists” (I put these in quotes to denote a broader category, not really to express a stance). Adoption is not something you really hear amongst conversations about the latter. They’re sometimes stereotypically associated with orphanages but that’s as far as things go. I would challenge people to find texts from such a nation that said something along the lines of “and then that child was adopted”. It’s like it doesn’t happen. Meanwhile, we’re “implied” (without it being clarified) that “vegan culture” is at odds with “adoption culture”. And the people I ask of are unique in that there really is no avoidance otherwise, you could go to any group of people, nationwise/identitywise, and they’ll have normal-to-idolizing opinions on the matter, with it being common to find clerical stories pertaining to it. I myself raise an eyebrow at this, especially with the way certain countries deal with the issue, through exportation and facilities and whatnot.
Not one to turn down an opportunity to ask/address everything in one fell swoop, I wanted to ask many of you due to experience, is there a reason or is it just not something that culturally comes to mind?
Vegan communist heee and im genuinely trying but i dont understand what you’re asking. Are you saying you think vegans and communists oppose adoption? Because i dont think ive ever heard anyone from either group make a stance against adoption. Ive heard calls for reforms to the adoption and foster system but never anyone opposing the idea of adoption
To lead up to that one way, favoritism towards adoption typically comes from the childfree crowd, which I am in a mild sense but in a way that isn’t wholly why I am more fixated on it, and they and the two groups often clash if you look them up, not so much the latter one as they’re a spectrum but in a sense that they tend to have a different method. Adoption being one of those things where if you’re in one of the more spiritual cultures it becomes like a trope, when you then look at nations that took advice from Marx, you notice a silence on the issue (save for discussions about orphanages), and it doesn’t help many such nations have a reputation for exporting their children to other countries or having a high regard in blood relations.
Admittedly the tipping point that inspired me to ask was the fact that I myself live in an adoption-heavy culture that Marx predicted will warm up to Marxism, and I’ve begun to wonder what will happen to that part of my culture if and when that happens. That and possibly the fact that this is Lemmy’s very first childfree discussion to my knowledge, despite its expertise in other ethical fields.
I live in a country that is both Buddhist (so vegetarianism is fairly common, although veganism is seen as some weird foreign thing) and nominally communist.
Adoption is fairly common and discussions around it are also common. I know several people who were adopted and talk about it fairly casually, e.g. there is no stigma.
(we also have orphanages, often run by monks)
What about outside of orphanages? Just an orphanage thing or is it also a legal guardian thing?
Genuinely this would be the first I’ve heard of this (most discussions around it revolve around other countries adopting those people).
Sure. Both parents die, neighbors / other family / friends might take you in. They might do this formally or informally (e.g. legally adopt you, or just raise you without doing the paperwork), to give you a better life than in an orphanage. Or maybe some aunt or uncle can’t have kids, but wanted to. It’s not that uncommon, I’ve met a few people in this category.
Vietnam has had a fairly turbulent history until fairly recently (quite an understatement). I don’t have many stories from those less peaceful times (my ancestors here are through marriage), but my impression is that it’s the sort of situation where adoption would have had to happen pretty often.
Oh one tangential tech story : You know all those scammy blockchain “projects”? Boy, they made a lot of t-shirts in Vietnam. A lot of the leftovers made their way to orphanages (a side effect of the economics of manufacturing is you always have extra, often containing nonsense text), so it was pretty common to see orphans with Bitcoin-whatever t-shirts for a while. So at least one OK thing came out of that technology.
This does clear up a lot of ideas I had. Actually, the “or just raise you without doing the paperwork” part makes it more appealing than my country/state when it comes to this. Paperwork didn’t always exist here but now it’s so entangled in everything that nothing happens without someone having to be involved.
I don’t know how hard adoption paperwork is here to be honest!
However culturally, I find we have a somewhat of an aversion to getting lawyers or filling out official forms, or waiting. I’m not sure why this is, but it might tie in to old-fashioned ideas about pride, honor, and respect. So a lot of things have ‘no paperwork’, and when it finally needs to be sorted out, tempers flare and you’ve got a blood feud on your hands.
I mean, I can’t speak for vegans because I haven’t really experienced what you’re talking about.
But with communists- especially online keyboard warrior communists- there’s a big attitude of “someone else will do it”
In that specific context or something else?