Greetings.
I’m in quite of a pickle here, and just thinking about it will get me nowhere.

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I attend a group hobby weekly.
Quite often we go for a follow-up hang-out in the local bar. I recall everyone else buying a drink and coming to sit down to have a chat.
I don’t buy anything. I wait for the first of us ordering and then I follow them to the table.

One of our attendees has commented on my behavior twice so far.
First she said that I’m a bum. That I use the bar’s staff and the place for my own benefit. There’s a chance that she said that in front of someone else.
Last night she commented that I’m still doing this (we two sat alone for a while). She’s afraid that they’ll throw us out because of my behavior.

I explained that I rarely buy stuff from bars.
On the second comment I said that I’ll probably continue this behavior to the end of times and they won’t throw us out because everyone else spends money. And that my friend said that she or her friends do the same thing quite commonly.
I could have felt her loathing upon me.

I don’t have the money to buy pricy consumables.
I have my own water bottle and sometimes snacks from a market to keep my belly full enough. Or then I don’t eat anything and eat later.
I’m there because of the company.

The employees haven’t commented anything about my behavior. I don’t know, would they even care.

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Thoughts?
Am I unfair or is she?

I’m thinking about asking her next time that should I just leave if I’m such a bother to her.
I’m also thinking about suggesting us to talk about this as a group.

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EDIT: I don’t think this is about alcohol. I believe most of them order something else cos it’s late Monday and most people go to work the next day.
EDIT2: We don’t have the tipping culture here.
EDIT3: Thanks for all the comments! You give my mind and feels some peace 💗

  • I’m a waitress. As long as you’re not making a mess, and you’re keeping company with people who are patronizing the establishment, you’re fine. You said you’re filling your own water bottle? Sounds like you’re making no additional work for the service staff, so don’t worry about it.

  • I would go with something along the lines of: “it’s called responsibility, Friend. I have my own finances to consider, and I am not responsible for the bookkeeping of this establishment. There is no drink minimum. Let the bar’s business be theirs, mine be mine, and yours be your own.”

  • As a person who worked in the industry for a decade, they clearly don’t care, or they would have said something. I’d only care if you were starting trouble and that is clearly not the case. Some bars will care about bringing in outside food or drinks, but that’s about it.

    My honest advice: just order a water from the bar. In most bars (at least in America) the water is free and the bartender will just assume you’re the DD, and it might shut your clearly crazy/controlling friend there up.

  • You’re not a bum. She’s being rude saying so.

    The business is there to make money, so naturally they want everybody there to spend money. And businesses have been very successful in making people think they have to justify their presence. It’s ok to not have something squeezed out of you just for being there. If it’s a problem for the business, let them speak up, but having people try and shame others into doing things they don’t want to do is not behavior I would want in my social groups.

  • Look, she’s obviously being passive aggressive towards you. The guy saying “tell her to buy you something if she’s uncomfortable” is spot on. She’s trying to shame you over being different, aka tall poppy syndrome. Show some teeth or she will keep pecking at you. Yes, talk it with the group. If everyone agrees with this bitch it’s time to find yourself better friends. You shouldn’t be providing an excuse for why you don’t want to buy or consume something. Maybe you are not hungry, or you don’t want to drink alcohol that late on a weekday or maybe you do intermittent fasting- who knows, what gives, wtf. Seriously.

  • You’re not doing anything wrong. As far as the name caller is concerned, find a way to respond to her politely yet firmly. Don’t sink to her level, or create reasons for others to criticize your behavior, but don’t take her abuse, either.

    Perhaps act surprised if she brings it up again. “I told you that I don’t buy things from bars, and that I’d continue this behavior. What is unclear about that?” You have explained yourself as thoroughly as you need to. Don’t let her put you on the defensive. If she wants to make it an issue, that’s her problem. It’s her turn to explain herself.

  • Unless your friend works at this place, or any of the staff confront you on it, you aren’t doing anything wrong. The bar appreciates the business from your friends, they aren’t going to get tied up in a knot just because someone brought in their own water to drink.

    Unruly or entitled behaviour will get your group kicked out, paying customers or not.

  • I don’t know your local customs, but I would say it is normal for a large group to have one or two people not buy something, but also normal to enforce a no outside food or drink policy. Personally, I wouldn’t feel weird not ordering, but I wouldn’t eat or drink outside food or beverage while there.

    If someone commented on it I’d just ignore them and if pressed, tell them if the bar has a policy they need to post it. Her getting upset is likely second hand embarrassment due to their own insecurities.

  • If you came there by yourself or with one other person and didn’t buy anything, she would probably be right… But if you’re in a group, you’re fine not to buy anything.

    Either way, she’s a dick for embarrassing you in front of the rest.

  •  saigot   ( @saigot@lemmy.ca ) 
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    As far as the staff are concerned If the place is packed then I think it’s a tad dickish to repeatedly not get anything. It’s there’s still lots of free space then it’s no big deal.

    WRT to your other buddies you are taking a bit of a privilege, if all the other people you were going with were also unwilling to buy anything then you would run into trouble wouldn’t you. Pointing out someone isn’t buying is imo much much ruder though.

    Although personally dropping a fiver every 2 weeks to avoid interpersonal conflict seems like a pretty good deal. Ultimately how your other friends view it and the social standing of the complainer matter a lot. If the hobby has shared supplies I would make extra sure that you are contributing your fair share there.

    • If the place is packed it still wouldn’t change anything for the business. It’s not like OP’s spot at the table would be occupied by a random patron, it’d be an empty chair at the table that OP’s friends are sitting at. But yeah I can’t imagine being that frugal and still going to bars. I would either invite everybody to go some place free (the park when it’s nice out, my place if it’s close enough) or indeed just buy a drink every now and then.

    •  Damaskox   ( @Damaskox@kbin.social ) OP
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      I’ve never seen the place packed. Maybe 33% full tops.

      WRT?

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      …if all the other people you were going with were also unwilling to buy…

      Everyone else orders.

      dropping a fiver

      I’m not familiar with this saying. Meaning?

      If the hobby has shared supplies…

      Nope. Everyone buys their consumables with their own money after the hobby time, separately from the hobby activity.

  • Initially I was kind of on her side but thinking about it I can’t really justify it. As long as the establishment is cool with it you’re good. If you’re bringing your own food in that’s a little worse IMO but the main thing is if you’re not spending money don’t create more work for them. Just occupying a seat at a table with a group who’s all buying stuff should be fine.

  • Gut shot, I’d say it reads as mooch behavior.

    When I was a sophomore in high school, my friends liked to hang out in a place called Coffee Talk.

    It was this home that was never demolished in an area that long before was redistricted as industrial.

    I’d go along. I had no money.

    It was a cool cozy place to be and I enjoyed chilling there with the company of my friends.

    They had a little money.

    None of us were inclined to caffeine (the thrust of the revenue of a business called Coffee Talk).

    Regularly, the crew would file in and would buy a 5 dollar red bull each that usually wasn’t even opened, and then chill for HOURS.

    I went through similar conversations. Most stressing “I feel the need to buy an extra drink to make up for you being here, and I don’t particularly like paying your way.”

    Coffee Talk wasn’t a youth center. It wasn’t a YMCA. It was a crew of about 7 working hard to host a cozy chill spot funded by coffee sales with an open mic stage to resist this landmark being demolished and turned into annex parking for one of the neighboring office buildings.

    My ass dirtied the seats. I disheveled the board game room many times.

    I hadn’t yet learned to have the situational awareness to see the difference between hanging at home, or at school, or at Coffee Talk.

    A big part of me getting my first job was so I could pick up an “antique” from Coffee Talk for 5 to 12 bucks since I had no desire to purchase a coffee from Coffee Talk, but i wanted to be at Coffee Talk with my friends, and it was a business, not a community center funded as charity by a mysterious benefactor.

    So… you can be a mooch, but your group doesn’t want to be told to fuck off because they are taking more than they are giving, so you risk getting dropped off the invites.

    • Sometimes it pays to not go looking for problems.

      The staff at such places can decide whether they want to ask a group to move on. Respect their choice to do so and stop trying to police your friends’ behaviours over your own fears.