I would really rather that these were actual examples, and not conspiracy theories. We all have our own unsubstantiated ideas about what shadowy no-gooders are doing, but I’d rather hear about things that are actually happening.
Anyone that says J6 was a “peaceful protest” that “got out of hand”
We all saw the footage of that day. There were gallows and calls to hang a sitting vice president.
It was an insurrection, fomented and encouraged by Donald Trump’s speech and actions leading up to that day. Plain and simple.
The right-wingers who say it wasn’t as serious as it was are gaslighting their base.
Edit: Victims of gaslighting in my replies
Conversely, anyone who says January 6th was a coup or anything approaching more then a wet fart. We should be so lucky that a fascist police state could be overthrown by 200 disorganized unarmed people walking into the capitol.
Whether it was a successful coup is a separate matter.
200? What planet do you live on? Watch a video of it. Read the January 6th Commission report.
On the day it happend I watched the videos being shared by the people participating amongst each other. There were tremendously more than 200 people.
A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink.
“I have to admit, I’m always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up,” the CIA agent says.
“Thank you,” the KGB says. “We do our best but truly, it’s nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them.”
The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. “Thank you friend, but you must be confused… There’s no propaganda in America.”
“Democrats are liberal/progressive”
In reality, they’re pretty conservative.
The Overton Window
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
A concept where political discourse is slowly shifted to one side or another over time. For example conservatism.
Politics are talked about the right who move even further right, the centralists are moved to old right and the leftists are moved to the center … the old leftists are now seen as extreme and unacceptable while the far right are also unacceptable but gain some ground … everyone shifts one step to the right and now everything is more conservative.
The right shift is what is happening now … but it can happen and shift towards the left as well.
They are still liberal though but not progressives. Liberalism isn’t necessarily a left wing ideology.
A lot of leftists (and I hardly ever saw it before coming on Lemmy) use ‘Liberal’ to mean Classic or Neo Liberal - basically a synonym of capitalist… That’s not at all what it means in American politics, where it means the opposite of Conservative. If we used that definition, Conservatives would be called Liberals as well as Liberals being Liberals, which obviously makes no sense for US lingo. However, they both are Liberals in the neo/classic sense as most US Liberals aren’t calling for communism.
The conservatives are only liberal in the economic sense. They are the party of book banning, anti-abortion and anti-lgbtq. Liberalism is also about human rights and freedoms. But just because you think gays should be allowed to marry and acces to have an abortion should be a right that doesn’t put you left on the political spectrum or even make you a progressive. Since that is pretty much a centrist political position in the rest of the world. Most Democrats are liberal in the economic sense but also in the human liberty sense. But only a few Democrats in the house and senate can be truly called progressives. Since most Democrats are fine with the status quo and aren’t pushing society forward. They are just fighting of the attacks of the GOP
Right, I agree. The progressive side of the US is not fairly represented by Democrats nationally.
This sort of confusion is why I think we need to always define economic and social political positions separately rather than lump them together.
You’d need more than two parties for that.
Good
That’s not at all what it means in American politics
Two red scares and a cold war created an Orwellian memory hole such that Americans don’t even have the words anymore. It’s double-plus ungood.
Liberalism isn’t necessarily a left wing ideology.
It’s an inherently right wing ideology lol. They’re just conservatives that want/like to think they’re progressive.
Liberal economic theories beleive the free market is the best solution generally, but allow the free market to be intervened in or even entirely supplanted in cases of market failure or where significant social problems arise from private ownership. There is a lot of debate inside liberalism as to when a market has failed, or when a social issue requires intervention, which is why sometimes you will see centrist liberals and left liberals arguing. Just look at Canada with our Liberal Party, its a big tent party with a small social democrat rump(since most social Dems are NDP), a larger social liberal / left liberal group, as well as some centrist and “blue liberals” (these would be right liberals, who are harder to convince about market failures).
Liberalism can be progressive, especially when the main thrust of a liberal party is left liberal or social liberal. Some Liberal parties are progressive sometimes, then more centrist at others as members and the membership changes over the years (or often on the strength and leanings of their leader). All still liberalism.
By any civilized standard democrat politicians are far right extremists (a few token exceptions are closer to right or even center-right on some points, but they have little effect on the whole). Republicans are outright deranged lunatics, mixed with a worryingly increasing percentage of fascists.
Republican talking points. All of them. Pick literally anything they say about guns or economics. Literally anything.
Israel is defending itself against an antisemitic terrorist group which attacked it for no reason
Americans with their ‘greatest nation on earth’ charade.
It has a name: American exceptionalism. It’s used both by people who know it’s a lie and by people who believe it.
So it worked!
Most of what people believe about America’s history is post WWII mythmaking and revision. It’s a shame because the labor movement in America has a fascinating history, and we’re about to relive it.
The shoot-outs are going to be 100x better this time
Can’t wait to be teabagged by a Boston Dynamics robo dog after it murders my whole family for paying my Amazon Prime 2 days late!
Not even that. Politicians in even just the generation after Washington deified the framers of the Constitution, even when the remaining alive ones protested against it.
America is the greatest country in the world. Only those who haven’t travelled much would believe that.
It is a libertarian’s dream country though. No where else is it so easy to get others to invest in your idea.
Really? What kind of barriers to investment exist in other democracies?
That you catch a cold because you’re cold
It’s weird seeing a regular colloquialism in a sea of politically charged comments. This one really seemed to get people riled up.
Communism=Authoritarianism
I was taught in school the characteristics of authoritarianism and a couple weeks later, when i was being taught about communism, the same characteristics were said
Going a step further, the idea of authoritarian. Every ideology with a state relies on some type of authority to function, as a term it is an attempt at equating fascism and communism and serves as holocaust trivialization.
You’re right that they’re absolutely not the same, however at a nation state level, I’d be very surprised if you could point to any communist regime at any point in history that wasn’t also authoritarian or didn’t end up that way
That Israel is not a colonial state. All it’s founders defined it as a European colonial project. It was and is allied with all the colonial powers and projects like Britain, the US, apartheid south Africa, and Rhodesia. Its funding association was called the Palestine Jewish colonization association. It’s bank was called the Jewish colonial trust. The Jewish national fund and the Zionist project at large was from the beginning concerned with building segregated colonies.
First, lands were bought with foreign funding from feudal land lords, and their inhabitants were entirely dispossessed, kicked out. Then when awareness of the ultimate goals of the Zionist project crystalized and resistance against Palestinian dispossession mounted, the lands were ethnically cleansed by force and the people massacred. 700 to 800 thousand Palestinians were ethnically cleansed in one continuous military operation that spanned two years from 1947 to 1948.
Zionist leaders fully acknowledged that Palestinian demographics were a core issue to the Zionist project, that the Palestinian population had to be removed at any cost, which is exactly what Israel did. What lead to the Palestinians being defenseless in this situation? Colonial Britain abetted the formation of heavily armed Zionist militias with soldiers numbering in the tens of thousands. The arms of Britain’s colonial military presence were inherited by the Zionist forces that it supported. All this while Britain summarily excecuted any Palestinian found in possession of a firearm.
This is not to mention the enthusiastic support of european antisemites for the Zionist project, or its strict early opposition by antifascist jews.
The idea that Israel has any right to exist on Palestinian land is a lie that has been so heavily proliferated, it has to be debunked when it should be paid no consideration at all.
communism has killed 100 million people
Stems from the black book of Communism which counts nazis killed by the Soviets, everyone killed by the nazis in the USSR, unborn children and even more absurd shit like that just to get to that number lmao.
If we count shit like that, Capitalism has killed billions.
Even using their numbers, if the choice is between 100 million people and every single living thing on the planet, communism sounds like a pretty good deal.
Comunism always sounds like a pretty good deal. UNFORTUNATELY IT’S LEADERS ARE ALWAYS CORRUPT
Well it’s at least 75 million so what’s another 25?
Those 25 can easily be added by deaths in Cuba venezuela and many more dictatorships with the comunism propaganda activated
Yeah, it’s wayyyyyy more
Off the top of my head:
- That little triangle embossed on your plastic container says it has been / can be recycled.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-the-public-into-believing-plastic-would-be-recycled
https://www.earthday.org/plastic-recycling-is-a-lie/
-Anything involving babies and incubators is immediately suspect. (Or babies and bayonets, for that matter).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony-And this one is pure conspiracy, and I know it’s not what you asked for… but it’s ridiculous and 'tis the season. My mother in law is convinced that the lyrics to “Oh Christmas Tree” (O Tannenbaum) were changed by people who wanted to erase the true and original lyrics. By who? Big Tree financiers? Communists who are stealing Christmas and replacing it with trees?
Anyway…
The original lyrics, according to this conspiracy, praise God and never mention trees at all. It’s completely ridiculous and always ends with the whole family singing along with the “true lyrics” from a badly photocopied paper that she hands out. I hope this doesn’t come up again this year because it really makes me want to fight. Which would make me the bad person, because who initiates fights on Christmas? The next couple of days are going to be tough.
Wait, the lyrics of a song with a title that literally translates to “Oh, Christmas tree” originally had absolutely nothing to do with trees?? I’d ask how she wraps her mind around that dichotomy, but I know people who believe in conspiracies do not need proof nor logic to believe.
Good luck. I’ll be entertaining my Trumpster QMIL, so I’ll be fighting along with you to control myself.
That’s hilarious, since the sources on Wikipedia say that the original lyrics were about a tree, with no relation to Christmas.
and many translated version never mention Christmas, like the Dutch and French versions.
Minor correction: the French version (Mon beau sapin) definitely mentions Christmas. The line “Toi que Noël planta chez nous” appears twice, translating to “You (the tree) that Christmas planted in our home”.
Now I’m really curious. Can you post those supposedly original lyrics?
Sorry for the late response - I just got back from travelling to meet that side of the family. But unfortunately, I don’t remember the lyrics. She introduced it a long time ago and she stopped being MC of Christmas a few years back. We didn’t get to enjoy it this year.
I just made this up on the spot, but it was in this spirit
Oh God above, sweet lord of mine
How much you love your children.
Oh God above, sweet lord of mine
How much you love your children.You sacrificed, your one true son
to save us earthbound sinners here…--and so on –
Rejoice, repent! We praise your name…
Oh man, that cringe-worthy. Thanks for the late reply!
I imagine either the “Oh God-mass God!” Version of the song either is the first version she learned whilst very young or she was taught this “fact” by someone who she trusts unquestioningly. It’s very hard to convince people to reasses beliefs they’ve taken on in that way. Maybe you could give up that dream and work on gently leading her to a compromise of doing a verse of each?
- That little triangle embossed on your plastic container says it has been / can be recycled.
The wage price spiral.
“Once all the boomers are dead everything will be better!” Yeah, corporations will still rule your life, inflation will still outstrip income, you won’t be able to afford a house, and your politicians will represent whichever special interest pays them the most. Also you won’t ever be able to vote in progressive candidates because every year there’s going to be some vile ghoul like Donald Trump, but somehow worse, and the Democrats just need you to close ranks and vote in whatever corporate liberal whose turn it is to sit in the Big House this time so a literal fascist doesn’t get his finger on the button and attempts to dismantle what little democracy our republic has over night.
Grandma and grandpa being six feet under doesn’t change these things. And, guess what…you probably won’t change them either because you’re too lazy and apathetic to do anything other than shitpost on the internet about how badly your life sucks.
Future generations will blame you for everything also.
If you’re a millennial, some already are.
Love how everybody forgot Gen X existed and skipped over them to hating millennials.
Love how everybody forgot Gen X existed
We’re used to that.
And at least here in Finland, the under 25s are actually more conservative than millennials or even Gen X, which is highly alarming. They voted for an extremist right wing party in droves in our latest parliamentary election, something like 30% I think
In America, it’s starting to shift that way as well. Gen Z is the first nominally sex-negative generation in, well…generations. They’re very inclusive and will say things like “sex work is real work.” But then they also seem to hate nudity in film and television. So it seems they’re fine with sex as long as it just…doesn’t involve them in any capacity. I think I heard a streamer one time say they were “puritan-pilled.”
But then they also seem to hate nudity in film and television. So it seems they’re fine with sex as long as it just…doesn’t involve them in any capacity.
I’ve noticed as a pattern that it tends to be nudity/sex in media that might appeal to a straight male in particular that they tend to have the most problem with. Probably because the “puritan” wire gets crossed with the “pro-LGBTQ+” wire or the “appeal to women” wire.
Our far right is great at TikTok, and their algorithm seems to favor far right talking points greatly.
Liberalism… that is classical and neo-liberalism, as they were invented by a bunch of lords and sir’s who were angry that the monarchy was getting a cut. It’s the preferred ideology of the finance industry, as they can’t have liberationism or lazze fair capitalism because the guillotines would roll out much too quickly. But they sure can define global markets and the value of currencies.
Watch US pundits harp on and on about the monarch’s of Europe, but not a squeak about the aristocracy or the barons. It’s also funny to note that because of goal post moving, liberalism which technically is slightly right from center, has become “left wing”. So when you tell Americans that technically they have two right wing parties, they lose their absolute shit.
Lmao to that. It almost as if the lies people have spread about how the system is supposed to work has gotten out of hand, so controlling it has become nigh impossible. No wonder the backlash to Gamestop went how it did.
And I know this will sound facetious (just trying to be helpful!), but the phrase “lazze fair” is spelled “laissez-faire”. It originated in 18th century France!
It’s just the degeneracies of greed and narcissism hidden behind fancy acedemic prose and posing as absolute truth.
I call it *The emperors new economic model".
When you tell Americans that technically they have two right wing parties they lose their absolute shit.
Finally! Thank you! I’ve been repeating this for years!