- amanneedsamaid ( @amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz ) English58•9 months ago
The fact that letting users choose what software they’d like to install wasn’t seen as an fundamental part of a computer really highlights Apple’s backwards philosophy towards user experience.
- jol ( @jol@discuss.tchncs.de ) 24•9 months ago
And the cult followers will foam from their mouths and defend that it’s better if you have less choice for some myth of security.
- Eggyhead ( @Eggyhead@kbin.social ) 23•9 months ago
I’d say the cult Apple haters are generally more toxic in their language and aggressive in gate-keeping.
- ram ( @ram@bookwormstory.social ) English2•9 months ago
“Cult Apple haters” is a goofy phrase and doesn’t exist. Maybe people who swear off / boycott Apple, but a cult? Goofy.
- Echo Dot ( @echodot@feddit.uk ) 1•9 months ago
Gate keeping by calling out BS and anti customer business practices? Interestingly definition of gate keeping you have.
- Eggyhead ( @Eggyhead@kbin.social ) 2•9 months ago
Absolutley! Even more “interesting-ly” than that straw-man of yours, friend! ;)
FYI, calling out Apple’s anti-competitive bs is not at all a problem. In fact, many Apple users are plenty happy to do that themselves. The problem is with how haters behave toward the users of Apple products, rather than the company itself.
- ScaredDuck ( @ScaredDuck@sopuli.xyz ) English13•9 months ago
“What’s a Computer?”
- ThankYouVeryMuch ( @ThankYouVeryMuch@kbin.social ) 23•9 months ago
That’s very cool, or maybe not it seems it could only allow other stores to install software and not ‘whatever you want’, but are they going to apply this rule to Nintendo or Sony, whose consoles aren’t a very different case to apple iOS devices, as well? No mention in the article
- Veraxus ( @Veraxus@kbin.social ) 13•9 months ago
…are they going to apply this rule to Nintendo or Sony…
They absolutely should. Closed ecosystems should be illegal. They are literally an intentional form of unethical, predatory trust.
- bedrooms ( @bedrooms@kbin.social ) 5•9 months ago
In Japan, companies > people. Because the ruling LDP has won the election for 80 years almost 100% and people believe economy = stock market.
- Stillhart ( @Stillhart@lemm.ee ) 1•9 months ago
My first thought was Sony locking the PS3 (?) from being able to use linux. Curious if this would apply to them too.
- AnneBonny ( @AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English18•9 months ago
How did sideloading get its name?
- mayooooo ( @MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org ) 61•9 months ago
That’s always my trigger, fucking ‘sideloading’. Jesus christ it’s installing shit. Installing. There was never a need for such a pissy horrible concept in the firstplace, a bootlicking special if there ever was one
- DarkThoughts ( @DarkThoughts@kbin.social ) 22•9 months ago
It’s like “jaywalking”. It purely exists to bully and discriminate against pedestrians and declare the streets belong to the cars. That’s what you get when you have big ass corporations do the lobbying.
- BolexForSoup ( @BolexForSoup@kbin.social ) 6•9 months ago
Sideloading isn’t a ticket-able offense. It’s just a name for a thing we are all within our rights to do. That’s not really comparable.
Now “jailbreaking” is a term I definitely take issue with as the language straight up makes people question the legality.
- TheEntity ( @TheEntity@kbin.social ) 5•9 months ago
Originally jaywalking also wasn’t a ticketable offense. Do you know the origin of this term? That’s the parent poster’s point.
- BolexForSoup ( @BolexForSoup@kbin.social ) 2•9 months ago
Does sideloading incur a fine?
Can you be arrested for it?
If the answers are “no” and “no” then there’s no parallel with jaywalking and there’s nothing to debate.
- TheEntity ( @TheEntity@kbin.social ) 5•9 months ago
The answer is “currently no”, and that might change. Just like with jaywalking.
- BolexForSoup ( @BolexForSoup@kbin.social ) 2•9 months ago
That applies to literally everything. Anything can be made illegal. It is not illegal to sideload. This is such a stretch, you can’t possibly believe this argument.
You cannot compare sideloading to ticket-able offenses or actual crime. It is 100% legal. Nothing can stop you.
- xep ( @xep@kbin.social ) 17•9 months ago
Probably because “installing unsigned code from an unknown source” is a mouthful. Installing implicitly means “from within the walled garden” on these devices.
- jmcs ( @jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de ) 27•9 months ago
Sideloading doesn’t mean it’s unsigned. F-droid apps are signed for example. Sideloading just means “it doesn’t pay neo-feudal taxes to either of the two duopolist lords”.
- TheEntity ( @TheEntity@kbin.social ) 13•9 months ago
Ah yes, let me sideload a 3rd party web browser onto my PC.
- wolfshadowheart ( @wolfshadowheart@slrpnk.net ) 9•9 months ago
Gonna sideload a browser while I mainload my game
- rgb3x3 ( @rgb3x3@beehaw.org ) English6•9 months ago
Gonna sideload cocaine while I mainline heroin.
- BolexForSoup ( @BolexForSoup@kbin.social ) 8•9 months ago
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- mayooooo ( @MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org ) 13•9 months ago
Dude you don’t get to decide what I’m angry about. The term is extremely inaccurate, you don’t sideload shit on your computer, right? It’s yours. I don’t sideload shelves, I put them on my wall. So I’d say the offensive part is that somebody who gets my money gets to decide if I own something.
- Pepsi ( @Pepsi@kbin.social ) 4•9 months ago
You seem… hinged…
- BolexForSoup ( @BolexForSoup@kbin.social ) 1•9 months ago
Noted
- ryan ( @ryan@the.coolest.zone ) 15•9 months ago
So this is actually an interesting term. Looking it up from Wikipedia…
The term “sideload” was coined in the late 1990s by online storage service i-drive as an alternative means of transferring and storing computer files virtually instead of physically. In 2000, i-drive applied for a trademark on the term. Rather than initiating a traditional file “download” from a website or FTP site to their computer, a user could perform a “sideload” and have the file transferred directly into their personal storage area on the service.
The advent of portable MP3 players in the late 1990s brought sideloading to the masses, even if the term was not widely adopted. Users would download content to their PCs and sideload it to their players.
So as applied to phones it originally meant a particular type of download and install - rather than installing directly to your phone from an app store, you have somehow obtained the file on your PC, transferred the file to your phone, and then installed it. In that context, downloading an APK directly to your phone and installing it would not be sideloading.
However, semantics have shifted somewhat and now it’s used generally to refer to any install that isn’t directly from an app store of some kind, and requires downloading an actual package file and then installing it.
- smeg ( @smeg@feddit.uk ) English2•9 months ago
So it does kind of fit in with the other definitions: download is from the wider internet down to your local device, upload is from your local device up to the wider internet, so sideload is just moving something from somewhere local to somewhere else local. I imagine sideload wasn’t generally used before because we’d just say “copy/install a file” or similar, and its usage now comes from it being a shorthand for the slightly convoluted process required on mobile devices.
- kick_out_the_jams ( @kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social ) 4•9 months ago
It’s from the earlier days of computing/portable devices where almost nothing had the sort of inter-connectivity we take for granted.
You’d download apps or music onto your PC and then ‘sideload’ them onto your PDA or MP3 players.
Sometimes this required both proprietary cables and software. (This is why some of us still get excited by simple USB ports)
- doggle ( @doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 2•9 months ago
Or to stop doing business in Japan entirely
- m-p{3} ( @mp3@lemmy.ca ) 16•9 months ago
Considering they’re a huge market for Apple (~70%), I doubt they’ll pull out. And if they do, then too bad.
- V ( @vanderbilt@beehaw.org ) English9•9 months ago
They won’t. Even back in the Steve days, they paid special attention to the Japanese market. The OG Macs were some of the first computers to have well-rendered fonts for CJK. Knowing Japanese culture, they will either do nothing with this new sideloading capability or they will run with it and an ecosystem will explode of alt app markets. I’m leaning toward the former.
- burningmatches ( @burningmatches@feddit.uk ) English2•9 months ago
What does that ~70% refer to? Japan is about 5% of Apple’s global revenue and iOS is installed on around 50% of Japanese phones.
- /home/pineapplelover ( @pineapplelover@lemm.ee ) 1•9 months ago
I still wouldn’t switch. I know many here will, but I like my GrapheneOS phone too much
- Eggyhead ( @Eggyhead@kbin.social ) 1•9 months ago
Sweet!