I just got up and took about 7 big huffs on a vape while making a coffee. 2% strength and my vision went, everything went black I started blacking out against the kitchen counter. Had to kneel down and wait for it to pass before standing up to finish my coffee. Fucked it up in a cloud of confusion and drank a warm milk.
How the fuck is nicotine legal?
Why should it be illegal?
No one is forcing you to huff it.
That’s a really bad argument. People smoking in public do force me to huff the second hand smoke.
That’s not an argument for banning nicotine in general. That’s an argument for banning smoking in public indoor places, which I think is already the case in most countries.
What? In what way does that have anything to do with banning nicotine?
I should have been clearer - why is weed illegal while other less-harmful drugs like weed (UK) are illegal? Makes no sense. If I can black out from weed while making coffee surely to fuck weed which has never made me black out should be legal? All weed ever did was make me fucking laugh or get paranoid.
Most of the drug laws are due to back door racism, at least here in the US. They couldn’t make laws that directly targeted minorities and so they made laws that targeted things that were part of the targeted minorities culture. Opium and heroin laws seemed to target Asians and the weed laws seemed more to target “beatniks” and Native Americans. It’s an interesting (if depressing) research topic of you’ve a mind.
Chasing the Scream by Johann Hari gives a good run down of the history of the drug war and how/why it came to be. Shocking and depressing.
Also the Behind the Bastards podcast episode on the US Crack Cocaine Epidemic is a good look at that end of things.
I cant find it now, but there’s a great quote from someone in Nixon’s FDA that basically amounts to “We were lying about the drugs to target the minorities. We knew we were lying.”, some real Legion of Doom shit.
why is weed illegal
Now that’s a good question, very odd indeed. But I don’t know the answer.
- Prohibition doesn’t work.
I do think it would be interesting to see a ban on alcohol today and how things would play out.
Perhaps you should’ve taken a few big huffs of air aswell?
Talk like that is a slippery slope to becoming a hippy Hydro Homie and before you know it you’ll be suggesting crazy shit like I should drink water!
Ah, here he is.
The reason for warning labels on everything
Cheeky sod! I only ate one crayon!
Sounds more like a blood circulation thing. Nicotine overdose feels more like dizziness and tingling. If you ever feel like fainting try moving your arms and legs to get blood circulation up again. If it happens often see a doctor.
I like the discussion on nicotine, but yeah. Op’s “medical moment” seems unrelated to nicotine!
doctor
Is that the place you call at 8:45 and end up in a queue until 9:15 when you get told there’s no appointments available?
That’s called orthostatic hypotension. Its a sudden drop in blood pressure from standing up too fast.
All drugs should be legal. Heroin should be legal. What actions people decide to take towards their own bodies are none of the governments concern (outside of offering rehabilitation).
I agree.
If this affects the functioning of society of course it’s government concern
The bigger question is why alcohol is not illegal. Ruins lives and families all over the globe. It is addictive, although not as much as opioids, and drunk people cannot drive and can also otherwise not be trusted. Some tend to violent outbursts etc.
The only answer is: It’s easy to make, it’s been tradition and banning/limiting it has been tried before. And that’s also the reason why tobacco is still legal and nicotine isn’t illegal.
It is addictive, although not as much as opioids
Here’s the thing. There’s that famous study of Vietnam vets who used heroin. Turns out that 95% quit cold turkey and never relapsed. In Vietnam, their life was shit, so they used heroin to cope. Back in the US, their lives weren’t that shit, so they simply stopped using.
Alcohol? If an alcoholic quits cold turkey, there’s a high chance they’ll drop dead.
This is partly why there’s that 2010 study that ranked alcohol as being more dangerous than heroin.
Same way alcohol is legal I imagine, we’ve been doing it for enough time that it has become culture, and it’s not like THAT many people die of it anyway.
Luckily smoking (hopefully including e-smokes) appears to still be declining.
They’ll never ban nicotine. Have you ever dealt with an ex-smoker? Very aggro. You’d have riots of very angry people if we banned nicotine immediately.
I could see vapes going to way of cigarettes and being educated out of society but it’s going to take a generation. A lifetime of being told “smoking is bad” killed smoking but vapes popped up that solved a hundred problems with smoking immediately (no arsenic, no cancer, no tar, etc) so I think they’ll have to brainstorm on how they can convince a big chunk of people why nicotine is bad.
I’ve quit vaping a few times but came to a horrifying conclusion: Why? It’s not like it improves my life massively. Not like smoking where you regain your sense of taste, smell and improve your health. You’ve simply removed the ability to have morning head rushes. That’s it.
Because laws shouldn’t exist to protect morons from themselves. If you want to naturally select yourself out of the gene pool go right ahead.
That’s a bit mean, but ok. 😂
And wrong as hell 🤣 why they think they have to wear seat belts? To hold up their pants in the car?
Nicotine is legal because it was never made illegal, similar to most things which are legal.
Most of the time in which nicotine has been available it has been through combustion which destroys some of the nicotine and will cause a newcomer like you to cough like a maniac and vomit long before you’ve taken in enough nicotine to faint. Now that vapes designed to be easy to inhale are available and the amount of nicotine can be adjusted to be higher or lower by the manufacturer, a newcomer can inhale much more nicotine at once than has been possible until very recently. Also, the experience you just had is very unlikely to happen again for two reasons. First, you’re probably not going to take huge hits of that vape anymore and second, your brain has now been exposed to that chemical so you now have some tolerance.
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My body is a temple (of shit). I used to be a fit, healthy runner & judoka until I became a fat meth addict in my 30s. Now at 40 I’ve quit meth but I was probably suffering from dehydration[1], high BP[2] and shite health[3] when I vaped this morning so the head rush had more effect than normal.
I struggle to give a fuck though. I was told I have high cholesterol a few years back but tbh I don’t really wanna be here.
But I don’t have the guts to end it[4] so I’ll just coast along abusing my body til it packs up and dies. I’m doing well at that: I’m so sedentary I get back ache just standing up and I’m still about 20kg overweight. This year I’m 41! I don’t remember the last time I celebrated a birthday and this year won’t be different. I have an uncle who died at 42 of a heart attack; maybe I’ll go the same age.
- [1] After 3 cups of coffee I’ve peed once in the past few hours.
- [2] Overweight with cholesterol so bound to have high BP.
- [3] Recovering drug addict.
- [4] More due to lack of success, trying repeatedly for 20yrs and failing every time.
You seem to understand what happened decently well already, why did you really make this post? Your situation reminds me of my wife’s father who was in a similar situation, over 40, ex meth user who had ended up on cigarettes and really abused himself until he got cancer from the cigs and passed and his negligence for his own life really hurt my wife and her family. He was a badass dude, and I regret I didn’t know him better.
I hope you can find a reason to treat yourself better, especially if anyone loves or relies on you, it’s the best reason I have to do decent in life, it’d never be for me, it’d be for my loved ones.
I feel you.
I’ve had a hard life, too. Not in the same way - for me, it was the Army, backpacking, rollerblading everywhere, skiing every year since childhood, dabbling in various martial arts, and just a lot of physical activity. Now, later in life I have chronic back pain, my knees are shot, and I have arthritis. I can’t do any of those physical activities that I loved so much anymore, I’m tired of corrective surgeries, and I’m just weary of being in constant pain. I used to obsess about the fact that I couldn’t avoid dying some day; now, it’s comforting to know someday the pain will be over.
So I get where you’re coming from, and I hope you can get to a better place.
If I’m allowed two minor rants: a highly physical life will wear you down. The body wears out: being active makes it happen faster. Obviously, being obese brings it’s own issues, but the fact that we (Americans) villify sedentary lifestyles but glorify sports is unbalanced. The rule should be: moderation in all things.
My second rant: because of the opioid crisis, people who are in chronic pain are treated like addicts. Medical professionals are now terrified of using the best pain management tool available to us today. Example: my wife is going in for a major surgery - they’re literally cutting her abdomen open, taking her guts out, cutting a bunch of stuff that shouldn’t be there out, and stitching her back together. The recovery period will be months. She’s been tld going in that they want to manage the pain without opioids – which isn’t “managing” the fucking pain, it’s just forcing her to suffer through it. All because of laws and regulations punishing the prescription of opioids has doctor afraid of doing it. It makes me furious.
Real question is: Hows weed illegal (well over here it still is) and nicotine is not? It ain’t logical thinking thats for sure.
Maybe u shouldn’t’a done that?
If we all thought like that we wouldn’t have planes or butt plugs!!
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It’s not legal where I live.
Where do you live?
