Ruh roh, looks like I’m a rUsSiAn BoT because I criticized our genocidal president ¯\_(⊙︿⊙)_/¯
Arming a genocidal regime and imprisoning and murdering innocent refugees at the southern border is just normal after all, and I just need to be rEaLiStIc becuase it’s so hard simply not to commit multiple human rights violations
- seahorse [Ohio] ( @seahorse@midwest.social ) English27•7 months ago
Whenever someone posts a meme like this all the “vote harder” people come out of the woodwork to get mad at the OP. I’ve never told people not to vote, but I do 1000% believe that voting is the absolute least you can do to progress society.
Edit: don’t bother reporting OP for this meme because I’m not gonna take it down.
Same. I’ve literally said I’d vote for Biden, but I still get accused of supporting Trump by conservative and centrist Democrats. They’re willing to hand-wave atrocities for the sake of a campaign. I’m not willing to overlook the suffering caused by our current administration, nor to deflect blame onto others.
- DessertStorms ( @DessertStorms@kbin.social ) 16•7 months ago
Easier to get mad at OP than it is to challenge their own views, biases, and insistence on wilful ignorance… ¯\(ツ)/¯
- Alsephina ( @Alsephina@lemmy.ml ) English6•7 months ago
Gigachad behaviour
- Overzeetop ( @Overzeetop@beehaw.org ) 4•7 months ago
Meh - this perfectly captures the micro-conditions in targeted areas. It’s a reality of global politics spanning 7000 years and involving hundreds of wars and billions of people. If that sounds callous it’s because I don’t know those people; they are outside of my monkey space and - as a human - I deal with them as non-persons, no matter how empathetic I think I am. I know it’s fucking terrible buti also know that (a) I don’t have control over it and (b) I have a hundred other things to worry about, like if my daughter might die due to something stupid like not getting her medical treatment because some religious nut says those meds might be used by someone to induce an abortion or to prevent pregnancy, or that the local coal mine is about to foul the water supply if our entire valley because they’ve paid a politician to look the other way while they dump heavy metals into our primary drinking water source.
If I have a beef it’s only that “the next one” is no longer relevant because Biden’s (well, the US Government, but some directly authorized I’m sure) been bombing places for 3.5 years now, and 15.5 out of the last 19.5 if you connect him with the Obama administration. Otherwise it’s completely legitimate hyperbole/satire which recognizes the realty of decisions half way around the world. I think I’d be pissed if you took it down.
What leads you to believe the needs of you and your daughter are more important than those of Hispanic immigrants or Palestinians? This is peak dehumanization.
Also, yes it really is Biden. He signed off on this shit and put the weight of his administration behind it.
- Overzeetop ( @Overzeetop@beehaw.org ) 3•7 months ago
No, this is peak human. If someone were to make me choose between my wife dying and someone else’s wife dying in [insert state or country I’ve never been to], someone else’s wife is going to die. If I get those two choices individually, I choose to save both. Where are the Jews who see Netanyahu as the Fascist aggressor with no regard for human life or territorial sovereignty and cast him out for a pacifist leader. Where are the Palestinians who want a joint government and will cast out Hamas? They both exist, but the leadership is out of their control. As individual humans We. Don’t. Get. That. Choice.
That’s the complication of (in this meme) electing a single person who will influence 1000 decisions. No matter how I choose, some of those 1000 will hurt someone. It’s a guarantee. No matter how empathetic I am, I cannot correct a century of political meddling (in Latin America or in the Middle East) no can I correct two thousand years of religious hatred. And those are just two of a hundred active problems.
I Think your meme offers a rational perspective and is excellent satire about people who just want to protect their families from harm. Please don’t call me inhuman for recognizing I cannot meaningfully change political conditions in the world which are the result of centuries of conflict.
- Maeve ( @Maeve@kbin.social ) 4•7 months ago
I offer that nothing will be immediate perfection; stopping funding death and destruction does free up funds and possibilities.
- Luvon ( @Luvon@beehaw.org ) 3•7 months ago
This seems like a very bad faith take on what they said.
They said they are their daughter and more important to themselves. That’s not dehumanization. That’s pretty normal. For most people, they, and their family and friends are more important to themselves than others.
If that’s normal for most people, then I can’t wait until our human race perishes. If lacking so much empathy is normal, then we’re a blight on the earth as well as each other.
- Alsephina ( @Alsephina@lemmy.ml ) English5•7 months ago
Don’t worry most people aren’t like this. That’s just what happens to someone consuming nationalist propaganda in the imperial core their entire life.
Yeah, true. Most people I know aren’t like that. Thank you for responding <3
- Exocrinous ( @exocrinous@lemm.ee ) English25•7 months ago
This is a fallacy. You find one area in which the two presidents are the same, and you extrapolate that into saying they’re exactly the same in all areas. It’s not a bad faith attack or trolling. It’s just the result of someone whose thoughts are too simple to grasp the fact that people are similar in some ways and different in other ways. It’s the thought process of someone who just doesn’t get nuance.
you extrapolate that into saying they’re exactly the same in all areas
Except I’m not doing this at all. You are a fool arguing with a strawperson.
- Exocrinous ( @exocrinous@lemm.ee ) English10•7 months ago
Okay, well if we agree that Biden and Trump are different in other areas, then what is even the point of this comic?
Let’s imagine that Anna and Peter are competing for the Vancouver regional tapdancing championship. They both had really good performances, and now the judges have to make a decision. Is Anna’s flawless execution of traditional tap integrated with the forgotten styles of the past worthy of winning, or does Peter’s bold new interpretation of an electronic tap genre deserve to take the gold?
No matter who the judges pick to win the regional tap championship, people in the middle east will still be bombed by US drones. Are you going to make a comic about how the tap championship is meaningless because it won’t make a difference in the middle east?
what is even the point of this comic?
This is a comic opposed to those who claim that The Best System in The World™ is that we must perpetually vote for the lesser of two evils, when both choices are still unacceptably and horrifically evil. Maybe your party and your system … kinda suck? Dontcha think?
It’s also a comic opposed to centrist and conservative Democrats and other status quo warriors who rail against leftists and progressives while silencing us and calling us russian bots and trolls, instead of actually listening to what we have to say. I’ve talked to a lot of other anarchists and socialists on a regular basis, and we’re fucking sick of it. If we’re not even allowed to pressure the sitting president to do better, then what even is the point? You centrists kept repeating the lie that you’re not as cultlike as Republicans in 2020 to get our votes – and then every time a post like this is made or an issue is raised, you get defensive of your genocidal maniac and come out with guns blazing. Many of you even reported me to my moderator/instance admin. Thankfully, this is a leftist instance where your shit isn’t tolerated, unlike right-wing neoliberal instances like lemm.ee or lemmy.world.
- Exocrinous ( @exocrinous@lemm.ee ) English2•7 months ago
I’m an anarcho-communist who does direct action. I’m so far to the left, Hexbear banned me thinking I was a troll, because they couldn’t imagine someone with views as left as me. I’m a soulist, I want to destroy consensus reality because it’s white supremacist. If you want to have a pissing contest about who’s more leftist, fine. I bet you don’t even want to abolish consensus reality. Yeah, you criticise Joe Biden (as I do), but I struggle to believe that you’ve criticised the actual systems of realism that perpetuate capitalism and genocide.
I’m an anarcho-communist
[x] doubt
You’re so full of yourself, it’s pathetic. I bet you believe your own bullshit. You’re the first person I’m blocking in this thread because you’re such a foolish liar.
Note to mods or anyone who thinks this is too harsh: Please look up exocrinous in the https://lemmy.dbzer0.com modlog. They’re a known transphobe and troll, and if they are being honest about being an ancom, then I don’t know of any anarchists who would welcome them into our community, and that’s the truth. You can’t oppress and exclude entire swaths of LGBTQ+ people and still remain anarchist.
I do believe they’re being honest about being banned from hexbear, though. They’re also banned from blahaj and many other instances. I’d recommend pre-emptively blocking this user.
- cassandria ( @cassandria@lemmy.soulism.net ) 3•7 months ago
dude, you’re being an ass.
Yeah, it’s definitely me who’s out of line here /s
Gimme a break
- Exocrinous ( @exocrinous@lemm.ee ) English3•7 months ago
Note to mods or anyone who thinks this is too harsh: Please look up exocrinous in the https://lemmy.dbzer0.com modlog.
So I looked at the modlog, and it says I was banned from gay@lemmy.world for being a “narcissistic psychopath”. Can you confirm you’re asking the mods to attack me for having NPD and being a “psychopath”?
- Exocrinous ( @exocrinous@lemm.ee ) English2•7 months ago
I’m not a transphobe. You’re repeating accusations that it’s transphobic of me to identify as a xenogender, because xenogenders “make light of real trans people’s struggles”.
And yes, it is pathetic that I’m so full of myself. I know. I have narcissistic personality disorder. People tell me all day that I’m pathetic for having this mental disorder. You’re just one more person insulting me for my mental health.
Hexbear banned me
I believe this much lmao, but I think it’s more for being a shitlib than a troll
- Exocrinous ( @exocrinous@lemm.ee ) English2•7 months ago
No, I was banned specifically for comments that gender neutral pronouns exist and that whiteness is a social construct.
- Salph ( @Salph@infosec.pub ) 5•7 months ago
Lol funny seeing the modlogs. Seems like you evaded bans with alt accounts like “DroneRights” and have been banned by startrek.website, hexbear.net, lemmy.blahaj.zone, lemmy.dbzer0.com, lemmy.world etc for transphobia, enbyphobia, right wing takes, harrassment among others.
Weird lemmy unity. I can’t see what’s been banned but judging by your takes here it’s probably reasonable.
- xor ( @xor@infosec.pub ) 1•6 months ago
If we’re not even allowed to pressure the sitting president to do better, then what even is the point?
that’s not what this comic is doing, this comic is equivocating voting for Trump and Biden…
at least with biden it’s possible to pressure him to do something, with dictator trump we get a genocide in Ukraine, Palestine, and america…Shit yourself
- xor ( @xor@infosec.pub ) 1•6 months ago
so you’re just a straight up troll? gotcha
- Exocrinous ( @exocrinous@lemm.ee ) English6•7 months ago
The tap contest is like the US election because, as you argue, they both have no bearing on outcomes in the middle east. Therefore, they’re irrelevant. If a tap contest won’t change the situation in the middle east, don’t make comics complaining about the tap contest’s effect on the middle east. If an election won’t change the situation in the middle east, don’t make comics complaining about the election’s effect on the middle east. It’s not relevant to the discussion. It should be relevant, I agree with you there, but as you point out, this election it simply isn’t. If we want to improve the situation in the middle east, we need to do more direct action ourselves, not vote for it. So stop bringing voting into the conversation about the middle east.
- Exocrinous ( @exocrinous@lemm.ee ) English4•7 months ago
Look, me and my partner are trans, and it lives in the US. We’re terrified it’s going to be killed by the Republican party during their next presidency. Conditions are eerily similar to 1920s Germany and we know our history. It’s a refugee. I’m trying to get enough money to move it to my country, but I’m broke. I need more time. I want a progressive US president as much as anyone, I want to avert this shit. But if Biden wins the primary, that’s 4 more years I have to save my partner’s life. This is a matter of immediate life or death to me. That’s 4 more years every trans person has to get out before it gets worse. I feel bad for people in the middle east, but my views on which president to elect don’t affect them. It affects my partner. I don’t agree with this view of “let’s ignore trans people and focus on the middle east”. The lesser evil means I don’t have to grieve my love.
You might not understand this election actually mattering if you don’t have any trans loved ones.
- Alsephina ( @Alsephina@lemmy.ml ) English9•7 months ago
Talking about “nuance” when your government is committing a genocide in real time lmao
- Exocrinous ( @exocrinous@lemm.ee ) English3•7 months ago
Nuance is very important even during a genocide. For example, you chose not to see nuance, and you didn’t notice that I’m not american. You saw what you wanted to see because you were angry. Anyone who disagrees is the enemy and must hold the identity of the enemy, in your mind. You’re thinking just like the kinds of people who commit genocides. They don’t believe in nuance, they attack because they see the enemy everywhere.
- DarkGamer ( @DarkGamer@kbin.social ) 1•7 months ago
Congratulations on devaluing the word genocide until it is meaningless. It doesn’t mean a lot of civilians died, it means destroying a protected group, which is not happening. Collateral damage does not a genocide make.
- ryegye24 ( @ryegye24@midwest.social ) English13•7 months ago
Collateral damage from drone strikes went up 800% under Trump before his admin stopped reporting that data
- Alsephina ( @Alsephina@lemmy.ml ) English14•7 months ago
Lmao I don’t think anyone’s arguing that trump isn’t a shithead.
Point is both are genocidal imperialist parties. The US political system only exists to protect capital and imperialism after all, since its government has been the de facto leader of the imperial core since WW2.
- Lemmy ( @lemmylem@lemm.ee ) 8•7 months ago
Why the fuck are these people our only two choices? Like can we just stop with the lesser evil bullshit and just pick other people?
- Alsephina ( @Alsephina@lemmy.ml ) English5•7 months ago
Unfortunately, the only US president who tried to do something half-decent, JFK for wanting to abolish the CIA and giving an anti-imperialist speech titled “Imperialism: the Enemy of Freedom” to seemingly curtail the US’s invasions in foreign countries, made himself an enemy of both the political parties, and was thus assassinated by the CIA.
Like I said, political systems in the imperial core, specially in the US, only really exist to protect capital, while giving a thin veneer of “democracy”.
Seeing how the US gov has gone so far that it’s committing a(nother) genocide, I personally expect any actual change to come from mass organization, pressure and agitation from organizations outside it forcing change, perhaps aided by existing ones like the FRSO or PSL. Ideally they’d overthrow this imperialist government altogether but hoping for that in the imperial core is probably being too wishful.
- goferking0 ( @goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org ) 1•7 months ago
You’d be surprised. Seen so many arguing that they should be protesting him too, because it’s totally possible trump the deranged sociopath could be swayed.
- Banzai51 ( @Banzai51@midwest.social ) English6•7 months ago
“Hey, do you think, just maybe, that if we stop attacking Israel randomly during peace time, that this wouldn’t happen?”
“Nah, that can’t be it.”
- Alsephina ( @Alsephina@lemmy.ml ) English11•7 months ago
“Hey, do you think, just maybe, that if we stop attacking Nazi Germany randomly during peace time, that this wouldn’t happen?”
-You during the Jewish Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
Neither were peacetimes of course, but I doubt someone this ignorant would care about that.
- DarkGamer ( @DarkGamer@kbin.social ) 1•7 months ago
Remember when the Jews tried to to destroy Germany, started murdering their neighbors for legally buying land, then launched 70 years of brutal terror attacks against them? Oh wait, none of that happened. Your analogy is terrible. Pre-war Gaza was nothing like Warsaw ghettos, they were marketing it as a tourist destination, they had a fucking zoo.
- DarkGamer ( @DarkGamer@kbin.social ) 1•7 months ago
Yes Mr. Sherman, everything is genocide.
- ivanafterall ( @ivanafterall@kbin.social ) 1•7 months ago
If we all wrote in ourselves, we couldn’t possibly lose. There are so many of us and only two of them!