- auth ( @authed@lemmy.ml ) 32•7 months ago
Tesla is also a security risk like all others
- Vendul ( @Vendul@feddit.de ) 14•7 months ago
You see, Teslas are controllable by CIA while Chinese cars are not
- Roopappy ( @Roopappy@lemmy.ml ) English32•7 months ago
It seems like the “cars tracking you” problem is a very real and very serious thing that should obviously be legislated separately of electric vehicles or country of manufacture.
I got a Mazda recently, and I was reading all the ownership paperwork, and the guy asked me what I was looking for. I said “I’m looking for the language about what data Mazda is collecting about me.” And the guy laughed and said there’s nothing in the paperwork about that. They just do it. You can’t shut it off.
- BurningRiver ( @BurningRiver@beehaw.org ) 1•7 months ago
So now I’m wondering what happens with new (or connected used) cars sold in California. Does CCPA have any teeth here?
- تحريرها كلها ممكن ( @PanArab@lemmy.ml ) 21•7 months ago
Let the US lock itself from the world, that should work.
- forgotmylastusername ( @forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml ) 17•7 months ago
We’re in the middle of a technological cold war.
- geneva_convenience ( @geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ) 16•7 months ago
EV’s are bad for the American OPEC monopoly
- spamspeicher ( @spamspeicher@feddit.de ) English7•7 months ago
American OPEC monopoly
What the hell does that even mean? The USA aren’t even part of the OPEC1, how are they supposed to be in the “OPEC monopoly”? Or do you mean Venezuela with America? And why monopoly? OPEC/ OPEC+ are only responsible for 30-40%2 of crude production, that is a weird monopoly.
1 https://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/about_us/25.htm
The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) was founded in Baghdad, Iraq, with the signing of an agreement in September 1960 by five countries namely Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. They were to become the Founder Members of the Organization.
These countries were later joined by Qatar (1961), Indonesia (1962), Libya (1962), the United Arab Emirates (1967), Algeria (1969), Nigeria (1971), Ecuador (1973), Gabon (1975), Angola (2007), Equatorial Guinea (2017) and Congo (2018).
2 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61188579
…Together, Opec+ countries produce about 40% of all the world’s crude oil.
- geneva_convenience ( @geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ) 3•7 months ago
America controls Saudi, Kuwait, Iraq and Venezuela. Only Iran falls outside and if they start doing naughty things they are going to get invaded.
America is the largest oil producer in the entire world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
Country Oil production September 2023 (bbl/day)
United States 12,900,000[8]
Russia 9,480,000[9]
Saudi Arabia (OPEC) 9,060,000[9]
Canada 4,778,973[10]
- 0xD ( @0xD@infosec.pub ) 3•7 months ago
Ah, yes. America with its magic wand controlling everything and everyone! Just yesterday evening Biden made me snort three lines of coke.
- geneva_convenience ( @geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ) 2•7 months ago
Yes they kill governments that try to nationalize their oil which could drive down prices. Gadaffi in Libya is a great recent example.
- spamspeicher ( @spamspeicher@feddit.de ) 1•7 months ago
America is the largest oil producer in the entire world
So, still no monopoly. Even IF we counted OPEC as “American OPEC monopoly” they together would only account for 50-60% of crude oil production. Far away from a monopoly, maybe you should read up on the term monopoly.
America controls …
And even then, OPEC most of the time acts against US interests. Crazy how big the “control” and influence the US has over these countries and OPEC then. They have so much control that even Russia is part of OPEC+ since 2016. AMERICA STRONK!
5G, garlic, cars…
I know this may seem like an unusual concept to capitalist America, but having more competitors drives down prices.
- Avid Amoeba ( @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ) 8•7 months ago
Low prices aren’t always a good thing. Especially for the working class when those low prices are on imported goods that replace the products these workers used to make. I thought we already learned that neoliberal policies aren’t so hot for workers.
- PowerCrazy ( @PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml ) English10•7 months ago
No one has learned anything. The people who knew outsourcing was anti-worker were proven correct, but it didn’t matter.
- totallynotaspy ( @totallynotaspy@kbin.social ) 1•7 months ago
Part of the problem with the EV market in the US right now is that the majority of models available are luxury cars in price. You can get a used Nissan leaf for ~16k, but issue with that is their driving range can be anywhere between 80-100 miles (works great for errands and daily commuting). Not even gonna mention the headache of figuring out the charging port type(seems NACS format is winning the market).
I have long maintained China is a security threat, but I am excited for the news because it will (hopefully!) push US auto makers to make more affordable models with 200+ mile range.
- Avid Amoeba ( @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ) 1•7 months ago
Agreed. But that’s not limited to EVs is it. They’ve raised prices overall both towards the bottom, altogether dropping smaller models, increasing the sizes of others to charge more, etc. And it works. The average purchase price is currently around 50K in the US. Which is stepping into the lower end of the EV market. So what I’m saying is this isn’t an EV thing. It’s an auto maker price and profit maximization thing. On the bright side, it’s a low margin business which means the overall amount of money that is getting extracted and not making it to workers is towards the better end of the economy. 🫢
- callouscomic ( @callouscomic@lemm.ee ) English8•7 months ago
“We need to reduce carbon emissions!”
“No not like that!”
Haha. It’s just silly. I know nothing about the actual story.
- davel [he/him] ( @davel@lemmy.ml ) English8•7 months ago
- toastal ( @toastal@lemmy.ml ) 3•7 months ago
Will the solution be public transportation infrastructure so cars aren’t needed?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
President Biden took steps on Thursday toward blocking internet-connected Chinese cars and trucks from entry to the American auto market, including electric vehicles, saying they posed risks to national security because their operating systems could send sensitive information to Beijing.
China has rapidly scaled up its production of electric vehicles in recent years, setting it on a collision course with Mr. Biden’s industrial policy efforts that seek to help American automakers dominate that market at home and abroad.
Administration officials are eyeing other steps to further impede imports of Chinese vehicles, which have already surged through European markets, as a result of low prices driven in part by significantly lower labor costs.
The Treasury Department has already proposed rules meant to limit China’s ability to supply materials for cars and trucks that qualify for a $7,500 electric vehicle tax credit included in Mr. Biden’s signature climate bill.
The Commerce Department investigation announced on Thursday grew from a series of conversations that administration officials had with automakers last fall, after the settlement of a United Automobile Workers strike during which Mr. Biden stood with the union and joined a picket line.
Biden aides began to grow concerned about what might happen if the United States did not impose similar restrictions on Chinese software, which administration officials say only a handful of cars in America run on today.
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- FriendBesto ( @FriendBesto@lemmy.ml ) 1•7 months ago
Well, they do tend to catch fire or explode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE
Or just left to rot in order to sound as if they are being used en masse. But do not believe me, believe your eyes.