A little admiration of how easy UI customization is on Firefox, and how shitty Chromium looks.
- just another dev ( @admin@lemmy.my-box.dev ) English163•4 months ago
Personally I find it far more important that it’s not run by a company that will try its hardest to track your every movement on the web, but to each their own, I suppose.
I am also pretty sure Firefox is equally if not more secure than Chromium. They just got some really bad reputation for not sandboxing everything.
- lemmyreader ( @lemmyreader@lemmy.ml ) English43•4 months ago
LibreWolf FTW! 👍
- stuckgum ( @stuckgum@lemmy.ml ) 8•4 months ago
When I was running it every other website would break, switched over to Mullvad Browser instead.
Mullvad Browser is the same but worse.
If you have websites break without noscript, you visit some really shady websites.
Be happy they break and dont claim the browser.
For my websites nearly never cause problems, and if they do Firefox tells me that they want to read my canvas data, send push ads and more, so its obvious.
- auth ( @authed@lemmy.ml ) 7•4 months ago
If you have websites break without noscript, you visit some really shady websites.
not necessarily shady… probably designed specifically for Chrome.
Bad websites then. Do you have examples? Thats really bad.
- auth ( @authed@lemmy.ml ) 3•4 months ago
Google, for example, did many demo websites that only worked on chrome in the past… I’ve also seen government website that only worked in Chrome… but unfortunately I don’t keep a list. A company I worked at in the past also had a training website that only worked in Chrome (I’m not revealing this one though…).
Edit: Just stumbled on this website: http://Thai5sushibar.com … not sure if it’s my extensions, but it doesn’t load in Firefox and loads in Chrome. Good rainbow rolls.
Uhm that site has no https and redirects somewhere else, dont feel like enabling javascript for that one.
And Ublock blocks it too. So yeah not a positive example
- auth ( @authed@lemmy.ml ) 1•4 months ago
I just came about it today… but still, it works in Chrome and not Firefox. I have seen many others in the past though.
- stuckgum ( @stuckgum@lemmy.ml ) 4•4 months ago
Why is it worse?
It always uses private browsing mode, read the other comments.
- dillydogg ( @dillydogg@lemmy.one ) 3•4 months ago
When I was using Librewolf maybe 4 years ago, it was never up to date with Firefox. I thought it could be a potential security risk, sometimes it took months to incorporate Firefox security updates. Has that improved recently?
- lemmyreader ( @lemmyreader@lemmy.ml ) English2•4 months ago
LibreWolf updates follow Firefox updates pretty soon nowadays is my impression.
- Lesrid ( @Lesrid@lemm.ee ) 2•4 months ago
I had the same impression at least 4 years ago as well. More privacy maybe but less security definitely.
- HouseWolf ( @HouseWolf@lemm.ee ) English32•4 months ago
I actually started using Firefox in my early teens just because I liked the look of the Ui and themes better than Chrome.
I’ve also recently switched to Librewolf ;)
- TimeSquirrel ( @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social ) 11•4 months ago
I started using it in my early 20s when it was still called “Firebird” because I was still salty that Netscape was dead and using IE sucked donkey balls (There was stuff like Konqueror and Lynx on Linux, but Konqueror and Lynx were…well they were Konqueror and Lynx). Mozilla 4 lyfe. “Technically” (with huge quotation marks) I’ve been more or less using the same browser since 1997.
- IYeetKids ( @IYeetKids@reddthat.com ) 3•4 months ago
Similar reason for me except I was like 10-11. Also another reason was browsing the web with firefox just felt much better to me back then.
- SeekPie ( @SeekPie@lemm.ee ) 1•4 months ago
I would probably still be on Librewolf if Floorp’s Tree Style Tab integration wasn’t as good as it is.
- YurkshireLad ( @YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca ) 31•4 months ago
Except Firefox’s bookmark system on android is absolute crap and looks hideous.
Mobile browsers all suck.
What is your alternative? I want E2EE sync. Is vivaldi better? But honestly I wouldnt use their browser.
- Code ( @Code@programming.dev ) 7•4 months ago
Firefox has E2EE sync??
Yup
- Code ( @Code@programming.dev ) 3•4 months ago
Do you have a link to that info? Would that also work with Mullvad browser?
- ColdWater ( @ColdWater@lemmy.ca ) 2•4 months ago
Use iceraven, it’s a 🍴 of 🦊
Iceraven is a mess. Their extension list is totally random, has tons of duplicates and fundamentally incompatible ones. I went through all of them and tested them and reported what was broken and what was missing.
That alone is enough to convince me not to use their browser. Mull is based.
- Count Regal Inkwell ( @VinesNFluff@pawb.social ) 17•4 months ago
Source: One person’s opinion on their personal Fediverse account
… Not that I disagree, mind. I’ve been on FF since like. 2007? Which was the moment I figured out that other web browsers besides IE7 existed?
Never saw reason to hop to Chrome(ium) even before I knew/cared about datamining or enshittification or any of that stuff. Back then it just looked like “another browser, that does things a bit different but has no features that entice me that Firefox lacks”. Then as I learned about the political side of things I was like “Huh, guess I’m glad for myself then!”
- abbenm ( @abbenm@lemmy.ml ) 2•4 months ago
What would you consider an authoritative source on if something looks nice?
- Count Regal Inkwell ( @VinesNFluff@pawb.social ) 4•4 months ago
Me, I’m the certified niceness decider
- dutchkimble ( @dutchkimble@lemy.lol ) 11•4 months ago
You know that famous The Dude meme? Applies here.
Not a chrome fan and I use Librewolf and I like how I’ve customised it. But that’s just, like, my opinion, man.
- katy ✨ ( @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 8•4 months ago
i love firefox but honestly right now i find edge to be much more aesthetically pleasing, especially with vertical tabs and grouping. if firefox can add these two items, i’d switch to firefox in a heartbeat (and they’re already adding tab groups)
Somewhere in this thread is a userchrome.css file on how to remove the “tree style tabs” header bar.
Install that addon.
Place that file in
~/.mozilla/firefox/XXXX-default-release/chrome
asUserChrome.css
(create that folder).Enable legacy customization in about:config
- someoneFromInternet ( @someoneFromInternet@lemmy.ml ) 4•4 months ago
aren’t there extensions for this?
- katy ✨ ( @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 2•4 months ago
there is sidebery but i just like the edge version more. the extension wasn’t as fluid, plus i like how i can have native profiles for work, uni, and personal built in without extensions like profile switcher, which relies on a third party program. nothing against it; and i still donate to mozilla and firefox. i’m looking forward to seeing mozilla’s approach to tab groups though.
- sadreality ( @sadreality@kbin.social ) 7•4 months ago
Mullvad Browser is another good option that is privacy focused. FF based.
Use a few to isolate different activities.
No.
Mullvad Browser is torbrowser without tor. Its basically the same as Librewolf, afaik Librewolf uses arkenfox user.js which is based on torbrowser.
But the Torbrowser has a “disk avoidance” principle, which means they always use “private browsing” mode as that never saves data on your hard drive.
This means it always deletes everything, session, cookies, tabs, searches, …
MullvadBrowser is not more private than Librewolf and ALSO has these things making it basically unusable for daily usage.
This may lead to people using it “for the private stuff” and a shitty browser for the rest. Which makes no sense, as Librewolf is the same.
And also, private browsing doesnt allow containers, meaning “multi account containers” and “temporary container” are nonfunctional. You dont need to run multiple damn browser sessions, just use containers.
And dont use Mullvad Browser its BS.
- sadreality ( @sadreality@kbin.social ) 7•4 months ago
Different people have different use cases. I am not sure what point you are making beyond that it does not fit your set up.
What I wrote?
- no container support
- no stored session = not a browser normal people will switch to
- not more hardened or privacy optimized than librewolf
- no profile support too I guess, because private browsing.
But sorry your statement is correct, it is a privacy focused version of Firefox.
But not sure what the “use more to separate activities” means, I try to do that with containers and mail aliases and its already complicated. Running and updating 2 browser engines will not help here.
- sadreality ( @sadreality@kbin.social ) 3•4 months ago
Such as using socials on 1, banking on another.
Also, a browser for your searches. I guess containers could do that but my understanding you still can get finger printed easily plus I could not get to use them consistently. Having different browsers made it easier, at least for me.
Containers are persistent and you can also use 2 profiles of the same browser and add a desktop entry to launch them separately.
Using separate browsers really is no good practice.
Fingerprintability may be already given by your IP.
Also the fingerprint defender addons help with randomizing some identifiers and fool naive scripts
- sadreality ( @sadreality@kbin.social ) 3•4 months ago
Good VPN for IP issue.
“Using separate browsers really is no good practice.” can someone provide some support for this?
Mullvad Browser lets you reset the finger print with a click of button.
No that clears browser data, the fingerprint is very complex. If you mean cookies, Librewolf and Firefox can delete all but you can add exceptions where you want to stay logged in. Very handy, also not there in private browsing.
- JJLinux ( @jjlinux@lemmy.ml ) 1•4 months ago
That’s exactly right.
- keiko ( @keiko@fedia.io ) 3•4 months ago
Tor Browser is based on Firefox-ESR, while Librewolf is based on Firefox-Release. Because of this, they do not have identical features and preferences. Tor Browser and Mullvad Browser are designed for stability and minimal customization for the purpose of blending in with other users. Librewolf is designed to receive new features, better privacy defaults than standard Firefox, and allow users to more easily configure preferences. All of these browsers are valid options for privacy-minded people, depending on personal preferences, including separating activities/identities between different browsers. Container tabs are certainly good for privacy, and hopefully the feature can one day be used in private browsing mode.
Good points. I guess Librewolf will be a little more unique. ESR is a secure base, just pretty outdated soon.
- ReversalHatchery ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 2•4 months ago
All of these browsers are valid options for privacy-minded people
However they are bad options for those looking to switch from chrome. Even to myself it was very annoying that it always deletes everything, to someone who “already makes life hard on the web” for itself as some like to note in real life.
Mullbad Browser is fine for systems like Tails (not sure if they have it) and maybe for environments like libraries and such public places, where everything is our should be volatile anyway.- keiko ( @keiko@fedia.io ) 1•4 months ago
Well yeah, people still using Chrome probably need to take baby-steps to reclaim little bits of privacy for themselves. For those users, switching to Firefox is probably the best option. But technically, Mullvad Browser and Tor Browser can both be configured to disable private browsing mode and be non-volatile. It’s just that normal users are unlikely to know that or to know how to do it.
- auth ( @authed@lemmy.ml ) 6•4 months ago
I like my Firefox more: https://i.imgur.com/AWO9ss1.png … got rid of the title bar
- auth ( @authed@lemmy.ml ) 4•4 months ago
thanks
- maniacalmanicmania ( @maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone ) English3•4 months ago
Double thanks.
- randint ( @randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ) English3•4 months ago
#sidebar-box[sidebarcommand="treestyletab_piro_sakura_ne_jp-sidebar-action"] #sidebar-header { display: none; }
Add this to your userChrome.css file to hide the “Tree Style Tab” header at the top of the sidebar.
- auth ( @authed@lemmy.ml ) 2•4 months ago
thanks! works great… here is my new userChrome.css:
/* hides the native tabs */ #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse; }
#sidebar-box[sidebarcommand=“treestyletab_piro_sakura_ne_jp-sidebar-action”] #sidebar-header { display: none; }
- Krtek ( @Krtek@feddit.de ) 2•4 months ago
Did the same thing, though I’m handling the tabs with Sway
- gomp ( @gomp@lemmy.ml ) 1•4 months ago
I’m doing that in arch.
- KISSmyOS ( @KISSmyOS@feddit.de ) 5•4 months ago
Can Firefox install websites as web apps?
- starman ( @starman@programming.dev ) English18•4 months ago
Desktop? No
Android? Yes
- fl42v ( @fl42v@lemmy.ml ) 7•4 months ago
Well, there’s PWAsForFirefox
- FriendBesto ( @FriendBesto@lemmy.ml ) 3•4 months ago
Yes, but in an unsupported manner.
https://github.com/filips123/PWAsForFirefox
Or as an extension:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pwas-for-firefox/
No and thats not nice. Webapps work really well, I use hardened Chromium for Element until Firefox gets their shit together.
- theshatterstone54 ( @theshatterstone54@feddit.uk ) 2•4 months ago
Just use Floorp. Gives you even easier UI customisation by allowing you to switch to the old UI via the settings, and also includes Webapp support and support for Workspaces.
That support sounds very interesting, can you attach screenshots of the webapps and workspaces?
There is a tool called webappmanager or something that I used in the past. Pretty overcomplex but works well.
- JackGreenEarth ( @JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee ) English3•4 months ago
I use GNOME Web for webapps.
- Daz ( @Daz@lemmy.ml ) English3•4 months ago
Librewolf doesn’t respect your choice in system fonts if you uncheck “Allow pages to choose their own fonts, instead of your selections above”. I don’t use it for that reason.
Cant you set a custom font within Librewolf?
- Daz ( @Daz@lemmy.ml ) English4•4 months ago
You can but it won’t be respected. It will continue to default to their included Noto fonts despite whatever font you select. You can test this yourself. I’m sure they do it for some “privacy reason” but if I wanted that trade off I’d simply use the Tor Browser or one of those hardened firefox profiles.
Strange, no local font should not be fingerprintable.
- Blizzard ( @Blizzard@lemmy.zip ) English3•4 months ago
These are not the only two available browsers, you know?
- F04118F ( @F04118F@feddit.nl ) 11•4 months ago
Do you mean Safari?
Name one other browser that is not based on Chromium. If it is based on Chromium, it has to deal with what Google throws at them.
I say this as an enthusiastic Brave user. Brave is great at what it does currently, but the more terrible stuff Google builds into Chromium, the more patches they’ll have to maintain. This can make it harder to maintain their fork.
Worse than that, most Chromium-derivative users aren’t Brave users. Many web apps already don’t work as well with Firefox’ JavaScript Engine (Gecko) as they do with Chromium. This gives Google immense power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)#Browsers_based_on_Chromium
Brave is extremely shady. Really, I used it and even created a script to install it on rpm-ostree distros, but damn that is shady.
- F04118F ( @F04118F@feddit.nl ) 4•4 months ago
That’s a solid criticism. Firefox + uBlock Origin or Librewolf are good desktop alternatives. But what’s the alternative on Android? Last time I checked, there wasn’t any on privacyguides.
Btw I do always turn off all their rewards and wallet stuff and follow most of the https://privacyguides.org recommendations.
Thanks for your help in making privacy-focused software available on Linux btw!
- Borkdornsorkpor ( @Borkdornsorkpor@lemmy.ml ) English5•4 months ago
I use Firefox + uBlock Origin on Android. You can still install add-ons for the app the same way you do on desktop.
- MonkderZweite ( @MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ) 5•4 months ago
Fennec, F-Droids fork with proprietary bits removed. & uBlock of course.
Cromite has adblock. Vanadium too but it may break on on-GrapheneOS as it has security patches that break on regular android.
Mull is very fine for me, I use Vanadium and Mull, Vanadium for crappy sites (because mobile hardened firefox doesnt support as much sites as desktop for some reason). Vanadium is very likely more secure, unlike on Desktop where that is not easily said.
- Anafabula ( @Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de ) 6•4 months ago
GNOME Web technically, based on WebKit. Idk if anyone uses that though.
- RmDebArc_5 ( @RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml ) English4•4 months ago
GNOME Web, qutebrowser, Konquerer and Falkon. While they are pretty obscure, I personally use Falkon regularly on low end systems/RPi
- n2burns ( @n2burns@lemmy.ca ) 10•4 months ago
Both qutebrowser and Falkon run on the QtWebEngine, essentially Chromium.
- 0x2d ( @0x2d@lemmy.ml ) 2•4 months ago
qutebrowser uses chromium
- n2burns ( @n2burns@lemmy.ca ) 4•4 months ago
Of course there’s other browsers! There’s Opera…uhh that now based on Chromium. Oh, how about Edge…that’s Chromium based too now. I know, there’s the KHTML engine!..no, that’s been officially discontinued.
- Blizzard ( @Blizzard@lemmy.zip ) English1•4 months ago
Both OP and the author of the linked post explicitly say “Chrome”, not “Chromium”, and seem to imply those are the only two choices available to users.
If it is based on Chromium, it has to deal with what Google throws at them.
- F04118F ( @F04118F@feddit.nl ) 3•4 months ago
Fair point, but the engine is important.
I understand their blog post, and if I were to build a browser today, I’d probably do the same.
But that doesn’t mean this situation isn’t problematic. It’s similar to car-centric infrastructure: in this situation, for any individual, choice X makes sense, but that will make the situation even worse for the whole population. A cumulation of many tiny Prisoner’s Dilemmas.
I wrote Chromiun in the description too. Chrome is simply what people use.
Plain Chromium, even with all GUI settings, all degoogle policy configs and flags enabled, contacts Google like hell.
I tried googeeteller and its scary.
Have not tried Vivaldi for a long time, but its fingerprinting resistance was nonexistent, it is filled with useless features and has no container support, so nah.
- Simon ( @Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 3•4 months ago
Why don’t I use Firefox he says? Because Edge is better than both!
- Zacryon ( @Zacryon@feddit.de ) 14•4 months ago
It’s objectively worse than Firefox. For example, Firefox recently passed all minimum security requirements by the German Federal Office for Information Security. No other browser meets them.
- Simon ( @Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 2•4 months ago
Where those tab groups at tho? Sounds like your hot dog is objectively small.
- Cwilliams ( @Cwilliams@beehaw.org ) 8•4 months ago
Firefox’s extensions actually let developers do stuff, so we have tons of tab groups extensions. My favorite is Simple Tab Groups. But if you dont like that one, you can swap it out for a different one! DO YOU GET THAT KIND OF CUSTOMIZATION IN EDGE?
- alexsup21 ( @AlexSup21@iusearchlinux.fyi ) 5•4 months ago
they’re working on it https://news.itsfoss.com/mozilla-firefox-tab-grouping/
- Simon ( @Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 2•4 months ago
For the second time
- Zacryon ( @Zacryon@feddit.de ) 3•4 months ago
Go back to kindergarten.
- webghost0101 ( @webghost0101@sopuli.xyz ) 7•4 months ago
This is a joke right? There is not a single feature it could have that weights against the fact that its still Chromium-spyware.
- Aatube ( @Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ) 2•4 months ago
And Waterfox looks even better also by virtue of preferences to change userChrome.css
Mind sharing screenshots?
- Aatube ( @Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ) 2•4 months ago
I’ll have to get home. https://github.com/WaterfoxCo/Waterfox/blob/0068b0438b9bd6fb9761882154e7a339d96186af/waterfox/browser/locales/en-US/waterfox.ftl#L160 shows all the options, and Waterfox by default uses the older (initial quantum release) look for Firefox tabs. As a TreeStyleTab user, I love hide sidebar headers and auto-hide tabs
Sounds to me like a bit too many promises. Not convinced tbh
- scratchandgame ( @scratchandgame@lemmy.ml ) Tiếng Việt1•4 months ago
They both use hundreds megabytes of RAM just to render my static page. But for hydrogen web chromium use ~35M. This is shitty.
(w3m use 10M and in most case for searching we only need text-based browser)