They’re undercounting / underestimating by a fair margin.
perfect! just as putin wants. vote your conscience, vote fascism
If the choices are fascism or moderate fascism, maybe try offering something better than fascism?
if my only choice is evil i will always automatically choose less evil. its really not even a choice.
if we really care about this shit, we would be pushing grass-roots ranked-choice voting to incur actual 3rd parties that matter. but we arent. so less evil it is. you can choose more evil if that makes you feel better, but you should know youre fucking everyone else over.
Or you can choose something else entirely and not support a genocide. Turns out, if enough people do this, there’s even a small chance they might win. There’s even a chance that if they don’t win that this will push or even terrorize one of the major parties into moving to your position. But perhaps your conscience allows you to support a genocide. I certainly don’t have the stomach for that though.
Edit: A word
Who are you suggesting to vote for in the US presidential race that doesn’t support Israel?
you know if no one voted it would be harder than it already is to claim a ligitimate democracy
Party for socialism and liberation.
i live in the US where my choice is evil or more evil.
youre telling me to choose more evil
choosing more evil at home might make you feel better about foreign policy, you are voting against your own ability to make this choice in the future. you are making your home life worse thinking you are helping people abroad, but in the long run you are not only helping evil at home, you are not going to help those abroad as the US is more than the president. it is silly to pretend trump will do anything but help russia and israel.
again, you only have 2 choices evil or more evil. pick one.
Does the US not permit Write-In candidates or third parties? Crazy, I could have sworn they did. A miniscule, even infinitesimal chance of winning by voting for a not evil candidate sounds more morally palatable to me than voting for a war criminal. You do you though, I’m quite certain your conscience can handle it.
yes and no. depends on the state, but reality dictates in our current system and with the current candidates every vote for 3rd party will be a tacit vote for trump.
dont vote? thats a vote for trump. vote for a 3rd party? thats a vote for trump.
until we have an actual system that supports 3rd parties we have no choice. because the vote for trump/republicans leads to a system with less parties than 2, not more.
my conscience says i want more parties. my conscience says ‘vote less evil not more’.
Amazing! All those votes that came in for Trump and they could have just voted 3rd party instead to get the same result! Why does anyone even bother voting for Trump? They could just vote for the person with the shortest name that isn’t Biden!
no they are not “votes for trump” are they votes biden is not getting yes, however the only way they are “Votes for trump” is if you are starting with the assumption that Biden either already has or inharently deserves the votes. He does not, he does not have my vote and not giving it to him is taking a vote from him. he has to earn it, and he has not
Actually if the US became a single party state for a term because there is no difference between the established parties, assuming first past the post is still in place, a 2nd party would be forced into electoral relevancy, so that would actually be the preferred outcome of not voting for the current two parties.
Third party votes being for Trump is only correct if you assume libertarian votes are for Biden.
that is a false dilema, you also have, writting “Fuck Off I want someone better” on the ballot in that spot. Does it count as a vote… no… is it evil, no in the choice I gave you you did not chose evil at all.
I have a beetle and a spider in front of me. Which one should I squish? It’s all on you!!!
Tangential: ranked choice voting seems to be gaining momentum in progressive states. Definitely keep pushing for that, too.
IT’S A PRIMARY
Aren’t you people always on about how we’re allowed to vote how we want in a primary?
Voting for EITHER main party is voting for fascism.
One just wants it to arrive quickly and one doesn’t want you to notice it’s happening.
The Mass Murder Enjoyer has logged on.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
More than 1 in 5 Wisconsin Democrats said that Israel’s war in Gaza is impacting their vote in the state’s primary on Tuesday, while 71 percent said they strongly support an immediate and permanent ceasefire, according to a new poll released on Monday.
The poll was commissioned by Listen to Wisconsin, a campaign to mobilize protest votes during the battleground state’s primary in order to push the White House to change course on its support for the war on Gaza.
According to the survey, which was conducted by Poll Progressive Strategies, nearly 26 percent of Wisconsin Democrats support that campaign, which would have voters cast a ballot for “Uninstructed delegation” rather than a candidate.
“This is a serious threat to Biden’s chances in Wisconsin if he does not meet voter’s demands and impose a permanent, immediate, and unconditional ceasefire,” Ahmad told The Intercept.
The Wisconsin poll also found that just under half of Democrats in the state strongly or even somewhat approve of Biden’s handling of the war.
Waleed Shahid, a Democratic political strategist who has advised Uncommitted campaigns in numerous states, said that the poll signals a fracture within Biden’s party.
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Honestly, in the primary, I’d expect that number to be a hell of a lot higher. Then again, there aren’t any other real options.
Yes, I don’t want to vote for a comic book buffoon version of a narcissistic business villain… But I cannot vote for someone supporting a active genocide.
I’m morally compelled to vote for the lessor evil.
The winner takes all voting system is creating these false choices, and captures the population into a two party voting system. Ranked choice, instant run-off, etc are all better systems so we could actually vote on issues.
I’m really worried that the Democratic leadership is shooting itself in the foot.
A significant portion of the voter base that the Democratic party is counting on has serious and legitimate problems with the policy decisions of the administration. They’re making their thoughts known through all the channels they should theoretically be using; peaceful protest, petitions, letters etc.
Rather than addressing and validating any of these concerns the overwhelming response has been to ridicule those voters. People don’t respond well to, “Fuck you. Do what you’re told.” but that’s all they’re getting. Whenever people point this out the typical response is more of the same. All variations of, “It doesn’t really matter what you think or what you expect your elected official to do. Just shut up and vote for Biden.”