Yes.
And no.
You don’t need every tiny detail to be right. But if you’re just doing whatever the hell you want, changing literally everything, and most importantly, changing a thoughtful and positive show with great characters and stories into a simple CGI driven pre pew show with a bunch of anti social ashhats as your main cast… Then don’t call it star trek. Then make your own show, call it what you want.
Don’t take existing characters and strip them of everything that made them great and then whine about toxic fandom if fans call you out.
I’m not on Reddit, I don’t know how the fandom is, but on Reddit I’d say “now queue the down votes and bans” because new trek fans there apparently don’t like people who remember what star trek was.
I’m not on Reddit, I don’t know how the fandom is, but on Reddit I’d say “now queue the down votes and bans” because new trek fans there apparently don’t like people who remember what star trek was.
Yes, thanks for the illustration
I thought it was appropriate to the tag at the end of your little gatekeeping rant.
As someone who’s been watching Trek since before TNG, I’ve seen arguments like yours applied to nearly every new iteration of the franchise from TNG to the modern day.
Not the guy you’re responding to, but Discovery and Picard are awful entirely on their own merits; so bad, in fact, that it took me four years to recover enough to try Strange New Worlds, which was great by the way. Lower Decks and Prodigy aren’t really for me, but I’ve caught enough of them to know they’re quality entertainment, too.
As time has gone on I’ve come to the conclusion Discovery started as the pilot of another show they stretched a Star Trek skin onto
it took me four years to recover enough
It took you, in your own words, four years to recover?
Well adjusted nerds when there’s a tv show they don’t like:
Personally I also really disliked PIC, but I simply choose to be normal and move on with my life.
Then how come you can’t see the difference between tos to TNG, and classic trek vs the new crap? I say crap, because that’s what it is. Discovery was beyond godawful, horrible characters… ST Picard destroyed nearly all love I had for trek, I haven’t watched anything for over a year now, first the first time in my life.
Look at the Orville, THAT is TNG in a modern jacket, done by someone who knows and loves trek. The nu drek was done by people who don’t give a damn about star trek and it shows.
Look at the Orville, THAT is TNG in a modern jacket, done by someone who knows and loves trek.
Yeah man, the show where they solved a galactic conflict by giving the leaders of both civilizations date rape pheromones so they’d fuck one another is definitely the torchbearer for TNG and DS9.
All fandoms on the Internet need to live by this. Stop being so mad about shit.
I like Stan Lee’s line. A fanboy asked him who would win a fight between two particular characters.
“Whoever the writer decides would win.”
I love subverting expectations, so if I was writing a battle between two big, popular characters I’d have a 3rd character that I like come in and steal the victory.
What, like Mr. Rogers?
in a blood stained sweater of course
A blood, sweat and oil stained wifebeater
That would be quite the ultimate showdown.
USSBurittoTruck posting irresistable bait as usual
They’re a burrito truck, they know what the people crave
Also, the show can’t possibly keep up with advances in science and changes in the real world.
Great minds.
I must be uncultured. What’s that from?
Total Recall
I like this, I’m kinda starting to read some the books and while they are not canon, I’m going to say they are unless TV congrats what happens.
I think what’s more important then canon is something like an analog of continuity from calculus. A function can be continuous everywhere, which is analogous to having perfect adherence to a canon. It can also have major discontinuities (like 1/x at x=0), which I think of as like a reboot. There are even single-point “removable” discontinuities (like x²/x at x=0), which can be fixed by adding a single point to a function, are more analogous a tiny detail being wrong that doesn’t affect anything else and can probably be fixed with a simple retcon if anyone even cares.
You can do all kinds of calculations that depend on continuity of a function as long as they’re restricted to parts of the function with only removable discontinuities. Similarly, you can tell perfectly good stories in a broken canon as long as the story doesn’t focus on things in the canon that are broken. Each individual story needs to maintain its own continuity (or else we say it has plot holes), but discontinuities between stories don’t matter as long as stories feel like Star Trek to the audience.
Of course, feeling like Star Trek is very subjective, and feeling like a bunch of connected stories share the same continuity can be very satisfying, but overall, I agree with Nimoy that fans should just relax and not let discontinuities ruin their enjoyment of a good story.
meh