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- Gormadt ( @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 62•6 months ago
Cool
I’m learning more and more about Linux while using Linux Mint
It’s pretty cool NGL
- BolexForSoup ( @BolexForSoup@kbin.social ) 32•5 months ago
asdfasfasf
- stevedidwhat_infosec ( @stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub ) 39•6 months ago
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN
- No1 ( @No1@aussie.zone ) 2•6 months ago
Every time.
Because this old man hasn’t learnt the lesson…
- stevedidwhat_infosec ( @stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub ) 2•6 months ago
We love a good call to arms, what more can be said
- d3Xt3r ( @d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz ) 34•6 months ago
Although not the same, this has been going on for about two years now. Jensen Harris, a former MS engineer, criticized the ads as well as the design of the new Start Menu, over here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1564399431545667585.html
- Altima NEO ( @altima_neo@lemmy.zip ) English11•6 months ago
Weren’t they doing this as far back as windows 8?
- Zuberi 👀 ( @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 29•6 months ago
Exactly why the Brazilian and German governments are switching to linux machines
- Contend6248 ( @Contend6248@feddit.de ) 9•6 months ago
And my houshold 😁
Ther is for sure a 2.5k line powershell script from someone totally trustworthy which fixes this issue though
- Ahri Boy ( @ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 7•6 months ago
The French National Police also use Linux machines with its modified Ubuntu distro Gendbuntu.
Plus, Russia uses Astra, based on vanilla Debian.
- Appoxo ( @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 2•6 months ago
Not like Russia can legally nor want to be dependant on MS/american software.
- online ( @online@lemmy.ml ) English2•6 months ago
Which distro are the Germans switching to?
- Zuberi 👀 ( @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 3•6 months ago
Can’t find out the flavor on any websites. It might be a custom one and I imagine sharing the info would be more of a security risk.
- Umbrias ( @Umbrias@beehaw.org ) 2•6 months ago
It won’t be a security risk once it’s in use, IT across Germany will know within days of deployment. It will almost definitely be a modified version of some probably well known Linux.
- Zuberi 👀 ( @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 2•6 months ago
No sense in giving an adversary info on the distro before it’s fully implemented though I imagine. (I would consider that a head-start even if they heavily modify a popular distro)
Giving the See👁️Aye advanced notice wouldn’t be smart, no matter how they wanted to play it.
It won’t be a security risk once it’s in use
I agree
- Umbrias ( @Umbrias@beehaw.org ) 1•6 months ago
I don’t think it really matters whether a potential adversary has a ‘head start’ all that much, security through obscurity doesn’t work super well when it’s going to be deployed to thousands of easily accessible devices anyway. It’d only just be a defense in depth, but even then meh. But it’s neither here nor there, they’ll do it whatever way they feel is best.
- Zuberi 👀 ( @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 1•6 months ago
Basically all of social engineering is to get exactly what you’re talking about, a “head start”
Go to their LinkedIn: does the head engineer have MySQL version X on his skills, resume, job description, etc? Maybe somebody even endorsed them for it? “Wow they are THE best database administrator”
Now you know who you need to hack for their database access AND what zero days to research.
ANY info will be an attack vector
- Umbrias ( @Umbrias@beehaw.org ) 1•6 months ago
Social engineering is to gain access circumventing downcode, not really “get a head start”…
Most attacks are entirely social engineering. You’re not breaking into secure databases by pulling ridiculous zero day backdoors when it’s much easier to convince an intern to download a file or give you access directly. These super involved attacks are state actors, and no amount of trying to hide what Linux version is being modified will do anything for you there.
State actors of course also use social engineering
Ultimately the point is hacking really doesn’t involve the kind of subterfuge you’re describing here in a way where " what Linux is it " matters at all. I mean, windows is used for secure systems across the world, it’s hardly secretive.
- kirbowo808 ( @kirbowo808@kbin.social ) 14•6 months ago
This is why Linux rules tbh, little to no rules what so ever in terms of customizing your desktop whilst also not having shit like this too like having so much bloat and constant ads, like telling you to install edge everytime whilst protecting your privacy too.
- gomp ( @gomp@lemmy.ml ) 17•6 months ago
linux rules because it’s the only os built for its users rather than some company stocks
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 8•6 months ago
BSD?
- gomp ( @gomp@lemmy.ml ) 2•6 months ago
a rounding error on my part, sorry 😋
More seriously, I was thinking more of foss desktop environments and user programs (which are basically the same all over) than about the actual os - thanks for correcting me
- BeigeAgenda ( @BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca ) 1•6 months ago
🤫 we don’t mention BSD out of reverence.
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 1•6 months ago
Haiku?
- BeigeAgenda ( @BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca ) 1•6 months ago
illumos!
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 1•6 months ago
Hmm does it support web browsers? And is it fully FOSS (except firmware and stuff like that)?
- BeigeAgenda ( @BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca ) 1•6 months ago
After looking a bit more it seems like illumos is mostly the kernel, and openIndiana is one of the maintained distros.
- kirbowo808 ( @kirbowo808@kbin.social ) 1•6 months ago
Absolutely!
- obsolete ( @obsolete@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English13•6 months ago
This is amusing. They might as well replace the wallpaper with an ad.
- lemontree ( @lemontree@lemm.ee ) 7•6 months ago
They have on the lockscreen already, so not too far off
- Contend6248 ( @Contend6248@feddit.de ) 5•6 months ago
Done already, they are ahead of you guys Pic
- umbrella ( @umbrella@lemmy.ml ) 13•6 months ago
it was already full of ads on win10
- DestroyMegacorps ( @DestroyMegacorps@lemmy.ml ) 12•6 months ago
Thank you microsoft for doing bad changes to the windows operating system im sure linux users will enjoy this
- Bangeo ( @Bangeo@aussie.zone ) 11•6 months ago
Cool. I just started testing Nobara
- foremanguy ( @foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml ) 11•6 months ago
Killing myself one day🤦♂️
MESSAGE FOR EVERYONE : Just switch to Linux 😃
- onlinepersona ( @onlinepersona@programming.dev ) English9•6 months ago
Why yourself? Let M$ kill itself.
- foremanguy ( @foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml ) 4•6 months ago
You’re right 😂
- azron ( @azron@lemmy.ml ) 8•6 months ago
If you have to stay on windows check out: https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
- Zerush ( @Zerush@lemmy.ml ) 2•6 months ago
- theshatterstone54 ( @theshatterstone54@feddit.uk ) 2•6 months ago
This or CTT’s Winutil? Which is better?
- Zerush ( @Zerush@lemmy.ml ) 2•6 months ago
Also good, it does almost the same, but I think, for what I’ve seen, that the Optimizer is way more easy and intuitive to use and has some more features.
- azron ( @azron@lemmy.ml ) 1•3 months ago
This looks like it is solving a different problem but also useful. If you are saying it is better to disable everything and keep the original start bar. I prefer disabling everything and keeping a consistent start bar style from yesteryear. Either way thanks for the link. I’ll added it to my tool list!
- Eugenia ( @eugenia@lemmy.ml ) English7•6 months ago
I think that this betrays their plans: Windows will go “free with ads”, with an ad-free version that is subscription only. That doesn’t hurt their bottomline since the governments and companies of the western world will still go subscription in order to get support. The ones who don’t have enough money for that (individuals, small countries/companies, small municipalities), they will go “free with ads”. I mean, practically, Windows is free even right now. They have oem serial numbers that activate the OS for free, legally, to be reused. So why not make it profitable, it’s their thinking. Also, on newer builds of Win11 you can’t avoid logging in without an msn account.
- Zerush ( @Zerush@lemmy.ml ) 3•6 months ago
That is the Trap. Pre-installed Windows is not free, you pay for it in the price of the PC, the same PC without OS is almost ~€100 cheaper. A lot of vendors offer now PC only with FreeDOS, where you can select to install Linux, paying only the CD or USB or install Windows, paying it’s license (€100-120).
- sunbunman ( @sunbunman@lemm.ee ) English7•6 months ago
Aight time to try and learn Linux for the 10th time and see if someone without strong console knowledge can use one now.
- Martineski ( @Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English3•6 months ago
I’ve been using it for a few months now and only rarely I used console and it was just to paste some commands for something. So yeah, I don’t think that you really need to know howbto use console if you don’t need to do anything that specifically needs it.
- Appoxo ( @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 5•6 months ago
Rarely is still too much for me.
If I do regular joe stuff, I don’t want to be required to go into the terminal.- Martineski ( @Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English2•6 months ago
I had to often look up how to do stuff on windows because of it’s trash UX so it’s an absolute W for me. But I can understand that terminal may look too scary/complicated to some ppl.
- Appoxo ( @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 1•6 months ago
Oh Windows is certainly not exempt from the issue. Not at all.
Personally I don’t have any issue with the terminal but sometimes I am totally not in the mood to research yet another time why or how to run anything.
Also I prefer Word way too much over Libre/OpenOffice.
Only if they had a word-like theme and translation to achieve what I want in a word-like behaviour it could tempt me to switch the tools.- Martineski ( @Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English3•6 months ago
Ye, seems fair. In my case I just couldn’t bear with windows anymore and switched.
- Appoxo ( @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 1•6 months ago
Maybe maybe for me.
For now I am content with Linux debian as my NAS/server OS and Windows as the user OS.
- Mio ( @Mio@feddit.nu ) 1•6 months ago
It is called onlyoffice
- phoenixz ( @phoenixz@lemmy.ca ) 1•6 months ago
You shouldn’t have to.
I live near exclusively in the console because it’s my work and I love it, it’s WAY more efficient than the GUI, but last time I actually NEEDED the console? I can’t remember, honestly.
Also are you trying to say you never needed to figure something out on windows? Granted, I don’t read much about it because fuck Windows, but I remember windows Registry headaches, is that still a thing? Just copy paste these base64 codes in the registry in these UUID keys, which literally would be impossible to learn, and it will fix it, super easy!
- Appoxo ( @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 1•6 months ago
At least not for the regular joe stuff I do.
Obviously I tinker with my install and am not shy about reverting to a backup if I know it will be highly intrusive.
For the not so regular joe stuff close to the pro-sumer region you probably will have to research just about anything if you want to achieve something.- phoenixz ( @phoenixz@lemmy.ca ) 1•5 months ago
You have to learn a little for any task, so people saying that they don’t want to learn something is a bit weird.
Linux really isn’t more complicated than windows. Actually, after 25 years of Linux desktop, looking at windows it’s frustrating complication after complication.
- Appoxo ( @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 1•5 months ago
I am not desinterested to learn.
It just doesnt make sense to always have a need to enter the CLI for stuff regular users want to do.
Let the power toys be under the hood, no problem with that. But the regular folks don’t even grasp the idea to find out how to change the IP of their regular windows PC for something they want.Linux is currently developed by tech enthusiasts for mostly tech enthusiasts. Who tells the (by the way awesome) maintainers to stop and think what they develop in that particular way?
Even a group of maintainers might fall into the trap to develop something in such a way that it overwhelms the regular user.IMO what it needs is resiliency against those users and more aim to make it idiot proof (for them) and make it more an actual daily driver that first has a GUI for the most common tools and then the CLI if needed
looking at windows it’s frustrating complication after complication.
Tell that a Windows admin and that admin might say the same about you and your OS.
In the end, everyones wants it their way.
- h6d2n ( @h6d2n@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 6•6 months ago
This is pretty much how you destroy a good product. Hello Linux!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The software maker will use the Recommended section of the Start menu, which usually shows file recommendations, to suggest apps from the Microsoft Store.
“This will appear only for Windows Insiders in the Beta Channel in the US and will not apply to commercial devices (devices managed by organizations),” says Microsoft in a blog post.
The app promotions can be disabled in the Settings section of Windows 11, but it appears that Microsoft will enable these by default.
Microsoft is seeking feedback on the changes, so it’s possible the company could decide to ditch these ads in development builds of Windows 11 if there’s enough feedback that suggests they’re not going to be a popular addition.
Microsoft started testing ads inside the File Explorer of Windows 11 last year before disabling the experiment in beta versions of Windows 11.
Microsoft has been experimenting with ads inside Windows for more than 10 years.
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