I’ve officially concluded I’m at a loss for how to determine if a product is worth it’s cost anymore.
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Brand loyalty with local retailers is non-existent anymore, big box stores etc all seem to be switching manufacturers and I can’t buy the same products that were offered before
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Online reviews are no longer reliable. On site, it’s paid reviews by “special” users who are given perks to review. Off site it’s paid affiliation links, all of which scream “conflict of interest” to an actual honest review.
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Ratings are no longer functional. I can view 20+ products and all 1 star reviews or even 5 star reviews just look like copy/paste from competitors or their own employees. Every product has the same reviews now.
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Quality Control is gone. It’s all being mass produced with no oversight, it’s a hit or miss type of ordering now. What’s perfect for one person, another person will get defective products repeatedly (even auto parts, store brand tools do the same thing)
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Return windows are a joke, or you pay extra so you can return something defective after 30 days. This doesn’t always mean the product is less defective, but if it does then they’ve just hidden their full product cost in extra “charges”.
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Less often, companies quality tank when switching manufacturers or lowering production costs. I have no clue how to officially keep up with this unless it’s random friends/co-workers or a forum post I stumble onto.
So, besides paying 10x-20x more for a high priced company to hold my hand and apologize for every mistake they make (and they sometimes still ship defective products), what are some effective methods you’ve used to purchase a decent product that will perform for the entirety of it’s intended lifetime?
- Björn Tantau ( @bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ) 15•7 months ago
I look for low star reviews and see if their complaints are something that I could live with or not.
- Scrubbles ( @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ) 12•7 months ago
In addition, I read one star reviews as if they’re all written by Karen. If Karen is just pissed off because the employee treated her bad or they didn’t read the instructions, I can throw that review out. I read the actual well-thought out 1 stars, those ones give good insight.
- Gamma ( @GammaGames@beehaw.org ) English4•7 months ago
Also see if their complaints are even valid. I saw a phone case where half of the 1-star reviews were complaining it didn’t fit and their review clearly showed they bought the wrong size
- SkaveRat ( @SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ) 9•7 months ago
the most annoying ones are “delivery driver didn’t put the package where I instructed him to. 1 star”
- metaStatic ( @metaStatic@kbin.social ) 2•7 months ago
entirely reasonable for a customer to be upset with poor customer service
- SkaveRat ( @SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ) 6•7 months ago
but it does not belong in a product review
- metaStatic ( @metaStatic@kbin.social ) 2•7 months ago
Depends where it is.
3rd party reviews? Those should be removed. Company website? Knowing they use DHL is very useful to set expectations low.
- SkaveRat ( @SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ) 3•7 months ago
but that’s not what the post is about
- tetris11 ( @tetris11@lemmy.ml ) 4•7 months ago
“good product, but delivery driver was rude, 1 star”
- edric ( @scytale@lemm.ee ) English13•7 months ago
Read the 2, 3, and 4 star reviews and skip the 1 and 5 stars. The reviews with more nuance tend to have better information to help decide.
- Fizz ( @Fizz@lemmy.nz ) 10•7 months ago
I don’t look at reviews. I buy based on vibes and get pissed when the product turns out to be a piece of junk.
- jmp242 ( @jmp242@sopuli.xyz ) 5•7 months ago
I have found that you usually have to go to a specialist forum or the like and spend a few months reading it and asking questions etc. Rarely has a community steered me wrong. However they also usually point to expensive or specialty products. Mass market is usually mediocre at best.
Sometimes though there are deals like Harbor Freight hand tools or their higher end power tools.
- oxjox ( @oxjox@lemmy.ml ) English5•7 months ago
This is an interesting question to me. I was doing car stereo installs professionally in the late '90s while I was also getting into computers and cell phones, the ‘World Wide Web’, etc. I then got into home stereo / theaters and would work as a sales person selling both home and automotive electronics. We were a small business and we had to be honest with our customers for their repeating business. I learned a lot about electronics and manufacturing and sales and brand reputation in those years. Dealing with sales reps and repair facilities, taking cars apart, installing and programming automated home systems, having to deal with ecstatic and aggravated customers (in my early 20s) gives you a certain perspective.
Later, the software industry turned on its side and proved (to me) that big and small developers often can not be trusted to not break something. In the past couple years I’ve decided to reduce my reliance on tech because so much of it can break or fundamentally change with a software update.
As far as reviews are concerned, I learned as a Yelp and Google Places reviewer, frequent eater-outer, and as a friend of people who own restaurants and small businesses that reviews are bullshit. Look at Amazon review and you’ll find mostly people who LOVE or HATE a product. And who hasn’t received a special offer for leaving a positive review on Amazon? Objective reviews, across the board, are scarce.
You are 100% correct in your assessment. So, how does one find a good product or service you can trust? There is no one answer and it largely depends on the product category - for me, it’s a feel.
I buy less “crap” and more “quality”. Meaning: I’ll reject the temptation to buy something I can afford now and save and research to buy something “better”. For something brand new, I generally look at where it’s coming from and what the warranty covers. This can be tougher now that East Asian countries are occupying most of production and are getting great at it. I’ll buy direct from a small business if possible (sometimes it’s even cheaper buying direct). Sometimes I consider buying a decades-old product that’s proven it can stand the test of time - but this really depends on the product. I might do some research to see if there are certain years a product was more reliable or when it became less reliable. It’s worth pointing out that reading the owner’s manual and using a product within its intended use can extend its life.
I have years (geesh, decades!) of experience informing me about the quality of a product. But parts and manufacturing techniques and consumer demand have changed a lot. For something like a stereo receiver, a heavier product meant it had a more robust power supply. But now with increasingly shrinking integrated circuits, my judgement isn’t as valid as it used to be. It might also mean that stuff should just last a lot longer because they aren’t as strained with heat dissipation requirements - or maybe they are.
The last time I bought a TV was 2015 - a dumb 55" Sharp LCD. I’m in the market for a new one because it’s finally getting some dark spots in the backlighting. I am freaking out over this decision because all the TVs on the market are both gorgeous technological marvels and absolute trash.
The last two things that broke on me, about a year - year and a half ago, were my Apple TV and Apple HomePod Mini. Both apparently had bad power supplies and neither were within warranty. Since then, I’ve had far more issues with devices or applications or operating systems getting updated by “the cloud” causing more frustration than I care to express. The Apple TV is one of my most used devices so I was fine buying another. The HomePod sounded like crap from the get go and Siri is trash anyway. I’ve resorted to a 25+ year old stereo receiver, an old iPhone SE, and an updated iPod for my music.
A big part of the problem is how cheap and accessible things are now. It’s fostered an increased consumer mindset. So much that, I think, a lot of people use consumerism to make themselves feel better. Just look at the Temu ads - “shop like a billionaire”. Increased demand for cheap at-your-doorstep-tomorrow consumer goods drives manufacturing quality down and puts a strain on the economy and the environment.
Additionally, brands are no longer valued by their reputation but their profits. There’s always someone willing to invest in a product or brand and dump billions of dollars into your shit on wheels electric car or your social media platform with the intent not on making something good but making something profitable - because people like you and I who care about quality shit are becoming scarce. Is a Stanley cup the best cup? Maybe, but is it worth $100 on the black market? It is if people need it to feel good about themselves.
So, that’s all to say I don’t have an answer for you but I can promise you that shit is going to get worse so you should just stop buying anything.
- VeganCheesecake ( @VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 4•7 months ago
Look for specialist forums for whatever I’m buying, see what they recommend. Look at the documentation available from the manufacturer, it can be a good indication, if not of quality, than of maintainability. Also, I live in a country in which you can return any product bought online for any reason 14 days after it arrived, so that helps if it turns out to suck.
- tetris11 ( @tetris11@lemmy.ml ) 4•7 months ago
I go to my uncle’s house, and ask him “how long have you had ?” and if he says, “oh this old thing? I’ve had it since before you were-” then I ignore it.
if he shrugs, I buy it.
- UFO ( @UFODivebomb@programming.dev ) 3•7 months ago
Costco. Usually they pick quality stuff. If not then at least i can return it easy.
- frightful_hobgoblin ( @frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml ) 2•7 months ago
Stuff like a vacuum cleaner I buy a reputable brand like Miele.
Clothes you know by feel.
Cars there’s a lot to look out for.
What kind of stuff are you talking about?
- ag_roberston_author ( @ag_roberston_author@beehaw.org ) English2•7 months ago
Fakespot add-on for Firefox for browsing Amazon.