tl;dr :
- Hexchat IRC client app development stopped
- Linux Mint team was building IRC client to replace Hexchat
- The team tried Matrix and liked it
- Linux Mint’s communication channels are moving from IRC to Matrix
- The desktop app will be named Matrix to avoid confusion
- Ardor von Heersburg ( @ardorhb@discuss.tchncs.de ) 50•5 months ago
I‘m not sure if I like this. I use Matrix for a couple of years now and to be honest the more I use it the more I hate it.
Everything just feels slow, clunky and some basic things are quite complicated to archive and some functionality just does not work.
All that was okay for me in the beginning but it never got better.IRC and XMPP also had their problems but I often wish them back nowadays.
- john89 ( @john89@lemmy.ca ) 27•5 months ago
I think Matrix is the future, it just needs better designers and implementation.
They really, really shouldn’t do things differently than discord just to be different.
- acockworkorange ( @acockworkorange@mander.xyz ) 21•5 months ago
Looks like you’re saying federation is the future, but Matrix is a bad federation implementation. And that sounds good.
I still think forums are the best way to handle support. Even phpBB is better than any chat. Have a bot alert a chat channel that the project team hangs out for every new topic or something, if that’s a concern.
I still think forums are the best way to handle support. Even phpBB is better than any chat. Have a bot alert a chat channel that the project team hangs out for every new topic or something, if that’s a concern.
Giving the users the choice to have IRC and a forum sounds nice to me. Forums for the longer conversations and be able to look up things with a search engine, and IRC for quick questions and informal chat.
- cerement ( @cerement@slrpnk.net ) 22•5 months ago
the issue isn’t so much with IRC, XMPP, Matrix, or Discord per se (aside from Discord having its own issues) – it’s that every dev/org/group is trying to use a chatroom as a replacement for support channels, wikis, knowledgebases, FAQs, forums, announcements, mailing lists, etc.
[as the meme states: “I don’t want to join your fucking Discord server just to get basic information that should be on a proper website instead of hidden away in the archives of a fucking chatroom”]
Discord is the Gold Standard for you ? Why ?
- john89 ( @john89@lemmy.ca ) 7•5 months ago
It’s the easiest to use.
- kurcatovium ( @kurcatovium@lemm.ee ) English5•5 months ago
While this is true IMO, it’s needed to say that the redesigned Discord mobile app is complete shitshow.
- smileyhead ( @smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de ) 2•5 months ago
Taking away being Electron based, the UI/UX of desktop app is really good.
- haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 8•5 months ago
We dont really use/experience matrix. Same as we dont really use/experience debian, fedora, etc.
We are experiencing the clients (same as we experience the DE in the second example).
It does not make sense to hate on the protocol for clunky clients, same as it does not make sense to change distros because gnome isnt your thing, except if your OS doesnt handle anything else.
I had this discussion a billion times already. Element is not matrix and every other client is produced by actual people with very little money.
Be the change you want to see and make a client or donate to someone who makes the most promising ones instead of moaning about the good ol days please. Have a good one.
- Safipok ( @Safipok@lemmy.ml ) 3•5 months ago
The pathway I see is unfortunately IRC/XMPP→Matrix→Discord
- TimeSquirrel ( @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social ) 23•5 months ago
“Forks of the project are welcomed. Nobody can stop the code from living on.”
That’s a tear jerking quote right there. o7
- nfsu2 ( @nfsu2@feddit.cl ) 17•5 months ago
Green Ubuntu go brrrrr
- laurelraven ( @laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 9•5 months ago
Green Ubuntu is Best Ubuntu
- Kristof12 ( @Kristof12@lemmy.ml ) 12•5 months ago
Cool that they are using now matrix
- sexy_peach ( @sexy_peach@beehaw.org ) English10•5 months ago
I wish they went with XMPP. Still cool though.
- sgibson5150 ( @sgibson5150@slrpnk.net ) 10•5 months ago
I can’t remember exactly when I stopped installing mIRC when I built a new PC, but it’s been a while. Is DALnet still around?
DALnet appears to be alive and kicking. Since you’re maybe out of the loop, big drama happened with Freenode. Right now Libera Chat and OFTC appear to be the big names for IRC for open source software users.
DALnet is an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) network made up of 39 servers, with a stable population of approximately 10,000 users in about 4,000 channels. DALnet is accessible by connecting with an IRC client to an active DALnet server on ports 6660 through 6669, and 7000. SSL users can connect on port 6697 as well. The generic round-robin address is irc.dal.net.
- sgibson5150 ( @sgibson5150@slrpnk.net ) 7•5 months ago
Ah, far out. Thank you for the info. Maybe I’ll load up an IRC client and check them out!
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 8•5 months ago
Hmm I hope it will be at least somewhat stable. I never had good experience with Matrix for more than like an hour
- circuscritic ( @circuscritic@lemmy.ca ) 7•5 months ago
I recently switched my main Linux laptop to Fedora and I have to say, it’s probably the most stable and clean distro I’ve ever used.
- boredsquirrel ( @boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net ) 3•5 months ago
Fedora is not stable but very well tested it seems.
And GNOME (the default, I guess?) Is also just really well tested
- hakase ( @hakase@lemm.ee ) English4•5 months ago
Do we know when Mint 22 is coming yet other than just “summer '24”?
- mFat ( @mfat@lemdro.id ) English2•5 months ago
Why not use Beeper?
- smileyhead ( @smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de ) 3•5 months ago
You can. It just would not be good as preinstalled thing. Operating systems should not preinstall anything tethered to one server in my opinion.
- Blisterexe ( @Blisterexe@lemmy.zip ) 3•5 months ago
I like beeper, but it forces you to use a beeper.com account, and the mint devs couldn’t make it autojoin the support room
- Fonzie! ( @lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ) 1•4 months ago
I feel Mint doesn’t need a Matrix client, IPTV client etc. pre-installed, but luckily you can easily remove those unlike some other OS’s