TheObviousSolution ( @TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ) English32•5 days agoTell me that you don’t know what fascism is without telling me you don’t know what real fascism.
What the USA has been for a long time is an oligarchy, and there are literal Princeton studies to support it. It’s only now that it’s following Russia into becoming full-fledged dictatorships.
hamid ( @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org ) English5•4 days agoThe Ku Klux Klan is quite literally the genesis of the modern fascist movements
TheObviousSolution ( @TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ) English1•4 days agoThe Ku Klux Klan was a tool of the slave owning oligarchs.
hamid ( @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org ) English3•4 days agoIs*
The slave owning oligarchs in the American South are classical fascists. They still own slaves but they are now inside prisons.
TheObviousSolution ( @TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ) English2•4 days agoI would argue it’s fallen out of favor with the preferred organization nowadays being the GQP Trump personality cult. But yes, and they still trade in what slavery basically was, insurmountable debt.
naevaTheRat ( @naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English21•5 days agobrain dead take.
Always a racist slave state? sure. A military cult since like 1910? sure. A broken oligarchy? sure.
Fascist? defs heading that way. Not always.
hamid ( @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org ) English3•4 days agoThe US is 50 governments in a federal system. We have had fascist governments in the US internally in regions for over a hundred years especially in the south east.
naevaTheRat ( @naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English1•4 days agoWhich definition of fascism are you applying?
hamid ( @hamid@vegantheoryclub.org ) English2•4 days agoIn the SE the KKK were the brown shirt enforcement wing of the ur-fascist state governments ruling over an apartheid state until the 60s.
naevaTheRat ( @naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English3•4 days agoyeah fair actually
octopus_ink ( @octopus_ink@lemmy.ml ) English1•4 days agoNot the guy you replied to, but we hit most of Umberto Eco’s points IMO:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Umberto_Eco
Dwalin ( @Dwalin@lemm.ee ) English1•4 days agoYou clearly don’t know tour hustory.
ToucheGoodSir ( @ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol ) English8•4 days agoLol true
ILikeBoobies ( @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ) English5•4 days agoThis just isn’t true
Dwalin ( @Dwalin@lemm.ee ) English3•4 days agoHow so?
ILikeBoobies ( @ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ) English4•4 days agoTheir killings of minorities were just run of the mill racism. A bottom up approach if you will
maynarkh ( @maynarkh@feddit.nl ) English21•6 days agoTo be honest, it’s not even the “they came for you” bit, they are just coming for themselves now. I mean, if the orange idiot succeeds in dismantling NATO and imposing sanctions on US trade, China will def be the new leading superpower.
NATO is what props the dollar up. They are trying to undo the change in foreign relations the US made in WWII, and they will def get back to the pre-WWII US as a result.
Diplomjodler ( @Diplomjodler@feddit.org ) English24•6 days agoIncluding segregation, no rights for women and no labour rights. Basically back to the days off the robber barons. And the morons will still be blaming the libruls as they lie in their bed, unable to afford a hospital while dying from silicosis.
Auzy ( @Auzy@beehaw.org ) English16•6 days agoSomeone made a good point on YouTube. What does Trump mean by “black jobs”? Aren’t they just jobs?
He can’t even not be racist at the best of times
volodya_ilich ( @volodya_ilich@lemm.ee ) English7•5 days agoif the orange idiot succeeds in dismantling NATO and imposing sanctions on US trade, China will def be the new leading superpower.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not particularly fond of the Chinese government, but it’s HARD for them to become worse than the US in terms of international policy, destabilizing progressive countries, and outright promoting coups against leftist governments. China has no Vietnam carpet bombing history, no Chile or Iran coup support history, no banana-republic support history… If China were to become the new leading superpower, there is definitely much more hope for renewed strength in leftist movements around the globe compared to the current state of affairs
atro_city ( @atro_city@fedia.io ) 14•6 days agoFrance going the same direction.
lulztard ( @lulztard@feddit.de ) English10•6 days agoTerrorist shithole doing terrorist shithole things. They had a good run for over a hundred years. I hope Trump burns it to the ground.
conditional_soup ( @conditional_soup@lemm.ee ) English15•6 days agoBe me
Moran (sic)
“Lmao, when the US collapses, they totally won’t make it everyone’s problem”
nondescripthandle ( @nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English4•6 days agoImagine it looking like Russia’s collapse if Russia’s military was the most expensive in the world with the among the best logistics, and 800 military bases across 70 countries. That’s about the future of it.
volodya_ilich ( @volodya_ilich@lemm.ee ) English3•5 days agoIt’s so funny to me as a European that, to explain evil to US citizens, all you need to do is to swap “US” for “Russia” and suddenly everyone understands
mozz ( @mozz@mbin.grits.dev ) 14•6 days agoAre you under the impression that Trump’s destruction of the US won’t involve him doing 10 times more terroristic things all over the world?
Or that the powers that will invade the power vacuum left by a US collapse wouldn’t instantly start resuming the exact same terrorism, and worse, that you are (with every righteous reason) opposing when the US is doing it?
Transporter Room 3 ( @Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website ) English12•6 days agoHe must be in the “but I did nothing, for I was not _____” stage.
A lot of people seem to be under the impression that if open fascists spouting fascist rhetoric at every opportunity take full control of THE MOST EXPENSIVE MILITARY IN THE WORLD, that it will just self-implode into a nice neat little controlled demolition.
Lmao that is naive at best. And actually wishing for it is downright stupid. I don’t want Russia to collapse and kill itself, I want the scum leading their politics and militaries to be dealt with in the only manner befitting such filth. Anyone wishing different for the US or Russia, or ANY current or former world superpower that still has massive amounts of sway and firepower, is just wishing for collateral damage.
When shit hits the fan, it goes everywhere. When their backs are against a wall, they will strike out and take what they want, to hell with the fallout. Possibly literal.
A sad number of people just go “[large country] bad lol die” like their lives will be unaffected by such a massive global power shift.
mozz ( @mozz@mbin.grits.dev ) 4•6 days ago100% right. It is the temptation for easy solutions.
Turns out all that was needed to eliminate war and oppression was to pick out one semi-democratic country that’s doing it, and don’t vote in their elections, and bingo! Fascists take over, country collapses, no war and oppression anymore. I am amazed it was so easy the whole time and people were wasting their time with all these other more complicated structures and efforts to get it done.
Semjaza ( @Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com ) English9•6 days agoThe US has been continually committing terrorist acts (or enabling them) around the world for at least the last 70 years.
If the US is collapsing, perhaps they will have to let up a little and focus on its own civil war and take the boot off of the developing world somewhat.
commie ( @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English4•6 days agothe power vacuum
power vacuums are fictions created by intelligence agencies to justify propping up regimes. they are not inevitable natural phenomena
lulztard ( @lulztard@feddit.de ) English1•4 days agoOf course the void will be filled by other terrorist nations. But none of them have the power and capabilities of the US. It’s like replacing a shooter with a stabber. Still shit, but less so. Plus, who knows, maybe the EU will finally step up.
commie ( @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English5•6 days agothank you
UltraGiGaGigantic ( @UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee ) English1•5 days agoBased