- burgermeister ( @burgermeister@lemm.ee ) English89•3 months ago
A pineapple can have any subnet it wants. Also I have multiple subnets that start 172.16.xx.xx
- jabathekek ( @jabathekek@sopuli.xyz ) 30•3 months ago
you must be leet haxor
- unalivejoy ( @joyjoy@lemm.ee ) English67•3 months ago
172.16.0.0/12 is a valid prefix for private networks. In fact, you get more hosts than 192.168.0.0/16, but less than 10.0.0.0/8.
- 4am ( @4am@lemm.ee ) 44•3 months ago
Yeah, it’s not that it’s not valid for private networks, it’s that 172.16.42.x is common for WiFi Pineapples
- magi ( @magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 5•3 months ago
Every “well ackqually” person in this thread is insufferable
- Farid ( @abfarid@startrek.website ) 13•3 months ago
IDK, I find them quite sufferable and in fact I’m learning something from this thread.
- magi ( @magi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 3•3 months ago
Can’t argue with that, I guess
- cerement ( @cerement@slrpnk.net ) 33•3 months ago
really start to worry when it’s
169.254.0.x
…- unalivejoy ( @joyjoy@lemm.ee ) English8•3 months ago
That just means the
DNSDHCP is disabled.Edit: words
- cerement ( @cerement@slrpnk.net ) 18•3 months ago
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“The hotel’s free WiFi is really fast”
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“the DNS is disabled”
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- OsaErisXero ( @OsaErisXero@kbin.run ) 17•3 months ago
That is not what that means, it means there’s no dhcp on that network segment.
- unalivejoy ( @joyjoy@lemm.ee ) English14•3 months ago
In my defense, whenever there’s a networking issue, it’s always DNS related.
- 4am ( @4am@lemm.ee ) 31•3 months ago
The three stages of grief:
- It can’t be DNS
- There’s no way it could be DNS
- It was DNS
- dustycups ( @prex@aussie.zone ) 10•3 months ago
- OsaErisXero ( @OsaErisXero@kbin.run ) 3•3 months ago
DNS being down is why the DHCP server didn’t start ;)
- dustycups ( @prex@aussie.zone ) 2•3 months ago
I can totally see dnsmasq causing this sort of thing.
- Neato ( @Neato@ttrpg.network ) English1•3 months ago
If there isn’t DHCP and you device isn’t set for a static IP, would it even connect?
- OsaErisXero ( @OsaErisXero@kbin.run ) 1•3 months ago
So, no… but also yes.
You’re correct that it’s unlikely that the device connecting to the network would be able to reach the outside Internet, but it would still be able to reach any local resource to itself, which is to say any other device which is in its network segment and also in the same state (DHCPless) that it is, via what’s referred to as a link-local address. These are in the 169.254.x.x/16 or fe80::/10 space and allow devices to self-assign addresses independent of upstream connectivity for communication on the local network segment. Usually, these aren’t useful, but these address are consistent, and can be used to directly contact known local hosts from your machine without DHCP. As to whether or not they can reach upstream hosts in this state, the answer is ‘probably not’, but that’s not the same as what you said.
- secret300 ( @secret300@lemmy.sdf.org ) 30•3 months ago
Public WiFi is just PvP enabled
- Natanael ( @Natanael@slrpnk.net ) 8•3 months ago
[x] Client isolation on
This is now a safe zone
- MystikIncarnate ( @MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ) English29•3 months ago
The only part of this I didn’t immediately realize is the wifi pineapples default IP range.
From now on, I’m going to set that as my clients default public IP range to troll anyone who knows.
- ramble81 ( @ramble81@lemm.ee ) 25•3 months ago
So I guess I must be a leet haxor because of all the businesses I configured for the 172.x space because 192.168.x space was too small and 10.x space was way the hell too big.
- InFerNo ( @InFerNo@lemmy.ml ) 7•3 months ago
wdym too big? That’s what subnetting is for.
- ramble81 ( @ramble81@lemm.ee ) 5•3 months ago
I know what subnetting is for. That’s why I know which RFC range to use. I’m talking based on the number of devices and needed groupings, 172 is a good sweet spot where 198.x would be a bit tight and 10.x is complete overkill.
- Farid ( @abfarid@startrek.website ) 2•3 months ago
Could you please explain, how 172.x is different “size” than 10.x? Don’t both of those have 255*255*255 spaces?
Edit: Ok, I made ChatGPT explain it to me. Apparently, with 172.x the convention is to only use range from 172.16.x.x to 172.31.x.x because that range is designated for private networks under some internet regulations…
- ramble81 ( @ramble81@lemm.ee ) 8•3 months ago
Yeah. Here’s a breakdown of the allocations and their sizes:
- 192.168.0.0/16 - 65,536 addresses
- 172.16.0.0/12 - 1,048,576 addresses
- 10.0.0.0/8 - 16,777,216 addresses
Most home applications only need a single /24 (256 addresses) so they are perfectly fine with 192.168.0.0/24, but as you get larger businesses, you don’t use every single address but instead break it out by function so it’s easier to know what is what and to provide growth in each area.
- Farid ( @abfarid@startrek.website ) 5•3 months ago
But tbh, I still don’t see why you can’t just use 10.x but only as many subnets as you need.
I know jack shit about networking, but I’ve set up OpenWrt routers a couple of times, and set my home network to 10.99. because that was suggested by a ZeroTier tutorial and I thought that’s cool.
- ramble81 ( @ramble81@lemm.ee ) 4•3 months ago
You’re technically correct, you can use any of them. It’s honestly just a matter of preference.
- jbk ( @jbk@discuss.tchncs.de ) 21•3 months ago
thank you lain
also omw to set up my dhcpv4 server to use that network whenever I create a hotspot
- Cyrus Draegur ( @Draegur@lemm.ee ) English19•3 months ago
Thank you, Lain.
- jabathekek ( @jabathekek@sopuli.xyz ) 16•3 months ago
Thanks Lain.
- peanuts4life ( @peanuts4life@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English15•3 months ago
Thank you Lain.
- Onionguy ( @Onionguy@lemm.ee ) 15•3 months ago
Thank you lain.
- MachineFab812 ( @MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de ) 14•3 months ago
While I’ve never seen a router default to the 172.16… range, to me it just means that someoe bothered to modify the settings. No wonder the network is faster.
Fear-mongering much?
- sem ( @sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 3•3 months ago
The .42 combined with it being a public AP is what raises suspicions
- MachineFab812 ( @MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de ) 3•3 months ago
Fair enough, but 42 in any octet is going to be common anyways because nerds love us some Douglass Adams.
- aldalire ( @aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English11•3 months ago
A lot of the comments here are saying that a pineapple can configure their subnet to use 10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x. Is there any other way to determine if an access point is compromised?
- marfey ( @marfey@discuss.tchncs.de ) Deutsch9•3 months ago
Thank you lain.
- Rozaŭtuno ( @Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 8•3 months ago
Thank you Lain.