With worrying global trends like climate change, pollution, increasingly divided or radical governments, economic woes, misinformation and disinformation everywhere, dangerous health crises and so on, what do you think - how much time do we have before “it all comes crashing down”? What will end life or our way of life as we know it first?
Or do you think we’ll make it? If so, how?
The “collapse” is a cope. A non denominational version of the rapture. It being “all over” is something people dream of because oblivion also means an end to pain.
Society won’t “collapse”.
Life will just get shittier and shittier in such a slow, gradual manner that most people won’t even realise it is happening. More work for less pay, less rights and freedoms, more repression, more wars, etc.
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I think this is the more accurate take. I think the world at large is more likely headed toward a world in chains or world war 3 disaster scenario more so than anything.
Eventually that will lead to a shift. Perhaps not an outright collapse, but perhaps balkanization, restructuring, or collapse.
I’d thought it’d be a while, but the timeline keeps constricting. I don’t have a number for you, but it seems sooner than it did four years ago.
Exactly four years sooner, according to my math.
This was a pretty great response. You got me. Cheers!
Which “society?” America, for instance, seems to be on a downward trend as countries in the Global South start pushing against its exploitation, and thus the domestic proletariat is increasingly exploited and pushed further into radicalization. It won’t be a quick process until it is.
It’s not going to collapse over night. Instead, things are going to get worse and worse gradually, with each step backward becoming the new normal.
Like the proverbial frog in boiling water, we’ll all just carry on until one day we’re like just chilling in our debris city, hoping we don’t have to sell any teeth for bottle caps in order to buy food today when some ghoul comes storming in and shoots up the place trying to murder a harmless old man with a dog, and then some naive vault dweller tries to intervene, but she only makes the problem worse and we’ll all wonder how the hell we got here.
We will go for awhile. We will find ways to eek out existance muscling by using up resources at an even greater pace. digging deeper, making small amounts of toxic things pure by making larger amounts more polluted. Its really hard to say how long it will be but its a global system so will get worse and worse particularly the lower you are on the totem.
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Fun thing about large scale food scarcity. If you have a calorie deficit for a few months, you don’t anymore.
On a serious note. Habit destruction, warming, pollution poses a very serious risk to food stability and could very well lead to famine.
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Two failed harvests. That’s what it takes to strip away the thin varnish of civilisation.
Considering the global integration of the world today, in that case much of the effects can be temporarily cushioned by spending lots of money, thereby letting the ones without money starve. Either way, it won’t be pretty.
At some point, even money can’t help anymore, because you can’t eat it. If there is no food, there is no food.
Yes but also we can stop turning food into fuel or into less efficient luxuries like meat etc
Societies may collapse but pockets of humanity will survive. We saw how quickly nature started to rebound when we slowed down during the pandemic. I have hope that we’ll either sort our shit out soon or most of us will die and then the natural world can begin to heal again. This is like the sixth mass extinction event so it’s not the first time this has happened. Life finds a way…
Just two more weeks
Define “collapse”
It always has.
We’ll make it. I have high hopes for the future!
28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes and 12 seconds.
I’m kinda thinking sooner the better but I’m very fond of games like fallout.
I’d give it about another thousand years.
