So, at school we use the whole Office 365 suite for a myriad of tasks.
Teams is used as the main way to share exercises and lesson material, Outlook is used as the resident email service, and you’re expected to use OneDrive to store all/most of your data. There are some additional apps that require Windows, but beyond the office 365 suite they are all replaceable.
What I’m wondering is, what distro can run/access those apps without too much hassle and set-up?
I’m looking to do this on a HP probook x360, upgraded to 32 GB of ram. The only peripheral of note I’ve got is a Ugee drawing tablet, but I can use the openTabletDriver or their own on some distro’s.
Edit: Thanks guys!
User helpimnotdrowning recommend Mint! This’ll be my first real daily foray onto Linux, so it’s definitely a good option. I’ll also have a look at Gnome Vs KDE. I’ve been looking at KDE in the past, but gnome is definitely worth a peep as well.
User BearOfATime, thanks for giving the software name that allows for a seamless VPN transition! I’ll also look into the win 10 LTSC. Not sure it’s a right fit, but it’s always fun to learn more!
As a couple of you recommend, there seems to be a teams flatpak to download, so I’ll have a look into that!
Finally, I’d like to thank y’all for the useful and helpful answers! Many of you said to try the webapps, so I’ll be doing that! My current plan is to use VMWare (alt is Vbox. VMware works (and looks) better) and try to actively use a mint VM. Not sure If I’ll be able to stick to it, and not unknowingly switch to windows, but having it as a starting app should solve a couple issues. Slower start times, sure, but that’s not the worst. Your advice is very much appreciated! It’s given me a good confidence boost to start. Thanks for that :D
You can run teams in linux. I don’t know if the same goes for Outlook, but I found that accessing the web version via portal.office.com was sufficient.
But I’d recommend the unofficial one from flathub. The official one has stopped receiving updates in 2022 in favour of the web app, which is what the unofficial one is.
Micro$oft LOVVVESSS Open-source… RIght?? right??
You can also just install the pwa right from your browser (for both teams and outlook web)
365 admin here. Use whatever distro you want and just use the web versions of Office apps. They’ve been greatly improved and are nearly identical to their desktop counterparts. Especially if you’re leaning heavily into OneDrive/Sharepoint.
This is your answer, OP.
As a backup you can have a VM with Windows and the full apps if you need them (like Access for instance).
How good are VMs at booting a physical partition?
I always find 365 word does not format correctly particularly with tables and text.
Format your document? Format your expectations. Fuck you, that will be $35/mo. -Microsoft, probably
I needed a laugh today, thanks, lol
I often use fields, so I have to go back to desktop Word eventually to add them in. 🥲
Users only use a fraction of the feature set but everyone uses a different fraction 😂
Personally, I’ve had no problems whatsoever running the Office 365 apps needed by my school on Debian’s version of Firefox ESR. Aside from Outlook and Teams, I’m not asked to use them very often, as most assignments are turned in as PDFs, but when I have been required to use Word and Excel, I have had no problems.
Apparently GNOME 46 introduced support for Microsoft 365 accounts including OneDrive support in the file manager, so a distro that runs a recent GNOME version, such as Fedora or Ubuntu, may be your best option. But without that, you can still use a third-party project like onedriver or abraunegg’s OneDrive client.
I’d like to chime in that Gnome, KDE, Cinnamon and most other DEs support OneDrive log in, on some OS’s you might need to install the package, first. XFCE doesn’t support it OOTB IIRC
I use Fedora 40 workstation (Gnome) , run everything (Outlook, OneDrive, etc.) on browser, Teams as a FlatPak, and use Only Office for Excel, which I then upload to One Drive.
So far it’s all worked like a charm.
You can also use OneDrive on the native file explorer if you sign into GNOME with your Microsoft account
Sign into Gnome with your Microsoft account
I think I just had a stroke
Yeah, that too, but for my work account that didn’t work for some reason, so I just use it over a browser.
I use the web version of all O365 apps, even Teams, and I also have a Windows VM in case I need the desktop apps for whatever reason.
For teams specifically I’m just using the web version with chromium. Installed as a chromium app so I have quick access to it and have it on my taskbar. Rest of Office 365 works just fine in any browser. (Outlook, SharePoint, Power apps etc) For OneDrive Sync you can use https://abraunegg.github.io/ which should work on most distros.
That’s what we do at $dayjob, also.
You don’t need Chromium as it natively supports Firefox and Firefox based browsers
Firefox would give me weird problems with teams in the past. Have not tried it in a while though. I’ll try it and if it works without problems now I’m happy to leave chromium behind.
I would go with the web apps for the office stuff and recommend Thunderbird as a client for outlook.
Office won’t run on Linux or through Wine (AFAIK), I’ve converted to using LibreOffice on both Linux and Windows, which has yet to give me any issues.
Teams, as part of O365, also doesn’t have a Linux app, however… with the (paid) Thunderbird addon Owl for Exchange, you can read+send Outlook emails; it also adds a Teams icon to your Thunderbird sidebar that acts as a link to the web client.
Thunderbird, by default, can only read from Exchange mailboxes, but can’t send from them. If you don’t want to pay, the developers are working to add full Exchange support as stock. (There are also less legitimate ways to get Exchange support, like cracking Owl, but out of respect for the addon dev, you’ll have to find it yourself)
Edit:
If you’re new to Linux as a whole, I’ve seen many recommendations for Mint (a Debian and Ubuntu derivative), but I’ve never tried it myself. I started with Debian since I wanted a stable system that wouldn’t break down by itself or something. It’s rock solid on my Framework 13 Ryzen.
As for a Desktop Environment (DE), you can’t go wrong with GNOME or KDE. I prefer KDE since I don’t like the “look” of GNOME and it’s more “Windows-like” (but still it’s own thing), but it’s really just personal preference.
Office used to work via Wine in the past (using older versions of Office), but the latest versions of Micr$oft Office is so badly written, it’s hard to setup and run office under Wine indeed.
I was wondering the applicability of Libre to the officeland as I haven’t really used either in a number of years.
On the DEs: I’ve been gnome based pretty much always, almost never used gnome itself, directly. Xfce is my workhorse. Recently tried & dig cinnamon. Am ready to convert for a few months, at least.
I’ve tried KDE a few times, always short-lived as I can’t abide lack of keystroke windows management (I’m guessing they have them & I never took the 5 minutes to learn them). Mostly tried years ago. It was heavy and made my trash PCs choke. Felt like chrome does now.
Ubuntu’s native DE I can’t stomach for similar lack of common keystrokes and bad colors (again, a few minutes to change & learn because something else probably put me off enough that I wasn’t interested). Corporate construction has to be pretty awesome to get me to want to use it. No corporations come to mind that fit that.
- Install the user Flatpak for Teams
- Log into your OneDrive online account, use the file manager plugin for the files
- Use any mail client you like for the e-mail, Thunderbird for example works fine
- Use the web version of Office, sadly
The web version of office is very bad and mostly unusable. You can supplement it with libreoffice but that sounds like it isn’t an option.
In my experience it’s most of the installed version of Word, Excel and PowerPoint. It’s leagues above Google Docs.
While the web suite is not as feature rich as the installed version or as LibreOffice, I’ve experienced some compatibility issues between LibreOffice and MS Office. (but most importantly, their school requires MS Office)
No offense to you but I call BS. Since when is some random product leagues better for every use case.
If you don’t want to learn something new I can respect that. However, Microsoft isn’t God
I agree, I actually prefer LibreOffice in most cases, especially Calc. I wouldn’t require a class to all use the same product under the illusion that it’s the only good one.
That said, I’ve had LibreOffice Writer’s .docx files show different styling when opened by MS Word and vice versa, so in the context of MS Office being required by OP’s school, I recommend MS Office online as I’ve had good experience with that.
So I’m confused. Wouldn’t you want Windows? Also outlook can be replaced by Thunderbird.
So basically I see two options. First, if your device has 4 or more cores and 16gb of ram you can run Windows in KVM. If that isn’t the case you need to pickup another device or not use Linux.
I mostly want to switch since it feels better. It’s a first big step into becoming independent from Microsoft, and I don’t like the way they’re going with LLM’s among other things (I.E. totally oblivious of any security issues or broken code until the internet/EU spanks’m for it)
The main reason though, windows 10 has ShapeCollector.exe to help windows learn your writing style. Windows 11 removed that, and just didn’t replace it with anything. Really irks me that.
In terms of thunderbird, school needs to grant permission, which I did ask for. Don’t think they’ve granted it though.
Why do you need permission to use Thunderbird but not Linux? It seems a bit weird.
I need permission to load/send data (not sure) via the email. Something something security something something good (but bad)
From all the comments it looks like it’s quite a challenge to go native Linux.
One option, run a VM using KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine, native to some distros).
You can install Windows IOT LTSC (Long-term Servicing Channel), which receives only security updates 2x/year, no others. It also doesn’t have all the bloat. It’s what I run for daily use.
Win10 LTSC. It gets updates 2x/year, has very minimal bloat.
Windows LTSC Downloads, don’t forget to grab the key.
Then get O&O Shutup to reduce bloat even more (mostly just to limit telemetry on Windows).
And you can permanently license it using Microsoft’s own scripts. - Scripts on Github.
At one time you could directly launch apps in VMs using SeamlessRDP, I’m not sure if that still works or if there’s something new.
As others have said, wtf is wrong with the school - requiring OneDrive? FFS
Only do that if you have 16 or more GB of ram. Also Win 10 standard is fine or pro if you want AD.
Pro gives you Group Policy, which is essential for controlling things any more (especially telemetry and automatic updates, for example).
And yea, gonna need some ram to run a VM. Linux may run OK on lesser amounts, but even a VM of Windows can get pretty hungry. It’ll run ok with 8 allocated to it, and it’ll slog along with less, but still run.
I would highly recommend against installing a pirated version of Windows like BearOfATime suggests (at least via the second link he provided) - it could cause trouble for both you and your school.
No distro can just do that.
Try crossover, which is said to have best Windows app support. But Microsoft is actively fighting it, on their apps.
Your school is very, very, very shitty.
Wine support of Office is horribly bad, so yea maybe only crossover can save us.
None of those things you’ve mentioned require you to install something to your system. Outlook has a website which works perfectly fine on Firefox, and you can access OneDrive on web. As for Teams, I’ve had varying amounts of luck with the web app, but I think that’s more to do with my myriad browser addons than my system? I dunno though
I exclusively use teams on the web on Rocky. Firefox, Chrome, and edge all work for me.
I’m using arch Linux. But for the most part I don’t think it really matters.
Flatpack Teams, and web version the rest of the M$ software.
It works well enough. Though web versions of M$ software is weirdly limited for reasons I can only understand as arbitration.
For instance very large excel files don’t load in web excel, and iirc you cannot insert formulas in web word.