- Zier ( @Zier@fedia.io ) 53•2 months ago
No woman, anywhere in the world, should ever be required to wear any of these. Humans should be respected to make their own personal choices.
- dependencyinjection ( @dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ) English21•2 months ago
Sure, but many women choose to wear these and that’s fine if that’s what they want to do.
- redditReallySucks ( @redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English11•2 months ago
Choose to because otherwise they get kicked from the family?
- dependencyinjection ( @dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ) English6•2 months ago
I would argue those are the minority of cases.
- WallsToTheBalls ( @WallsToTheBalls@lemmynsfw.com ) English4•2 months ago
They aren’t.
It’s literally enforced by the government
- dependencyinjection ( @dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ) English5•2 months ago
I didn’t know my government, the UK, was enforcing people wearing religious clothing. TIL.
- WallsToTheBalls ( @WallsToTheBalls@lemmynsfw.com ) English5•2 months ago
That’s a very obtuse response and the governments I’m referencing are obvious.
- dependencyinjection ( @dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ) English3•2 months ago
I’m having a discussion on the usage in general, you and the other replies have been highlighting minority cases.
I wonder if you’re so passionate about this issue, what you’re doing to further women’s rights in these countries you have issue with?
- Zier ( @Zier@fedia.io ) 10•2 months ago
Choose and Required are opposites.
- dependencyinjection ( @dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ) English7•2 months ago
I see plenty of Muslim women without them, indicating it’s a choice for most.
- Zier ( @Zier@fedia.io ) 6•2 months ago
Not in countries controlled by religion.
- dependencyinjection ( @dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ) English6•2 months ago
So the issue isn’t religion its authoritarianism in these countries.
Perhaps, we should fight against that rather than the garments in question, no?
- StopJoiningWars ( @StopJoiningWars@discuss.online ) English4•2 months ago
Those countries are authoritarian because of religion
- Zier ( @Zier@fedia.io ) 1•2 months ago
Exactly! The only reason religion exists is to control the population.
- MindTraveller ( @MindTraveller@lemmy.ca ) English1•2 months ago
I don’t believe you.
- MindTraveller ( @MindTraveller@lemmy.ca ) English2•2 months ago
Nobody should be allowed to say Allah without protest. If somebody says Allah in casual conversation, they should be met with scoffs, eye-rolls, and dirty looks. Muslims should say ilah instead.
- JCSpark ( @JCSpark@lemmy.ca ) English4•2 months ago
While I typically try to avoid divisive comments in these light-hearted communities, this is a fairly informative one, especially in the context of etymology.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah#Etymology
We should also not be condoning scoffing at someone based on their understanding. Perhaps these could be opportunities to educate people that are unfamiliar with the differences.
- MindTraveller ( @MindTraveller@lemmy.ca ) English1•2 months ago
I am very happy for Muslims to talk about their ilah. But when they say Allah, they are choosing to say the other gods are fake for no reason. We could be having a completely unrelated conversation about, say, Ramadan, and the Muslim just has to say “by the way your gods are fake” in a single word just to be an asshole. It’s rude. It’s mean. It’s unnecessary.
I think a lot of people downvoted my comment because they don’t understand Arabic etymology and they think I’m being Islamophobic. But this isn’t about Islam, it’s about the way many Muslims choose to talk about every other religion. And yes, many Muslims don’t know the etymology of the word either. Which is why they should be educated and told to do better. Allah is a slur. We should make it clear it’s not acceptable to say in polite company.
I also hate it when Christians choose to use “god” as a proper noun. I’ve got in lots of fights with people on Lemmy about that.
- 0ops ( @0ops@lemm.ee ) English2•2 months ago
Allah damnit
- MindTraveller ( @MindTraveller@lemmy.ca ) English1•2 months ago
Gross
- friendlymessage ( @friendlymessage@feddit.de ) English1•2 months ago
Mā schā’ Allāh
- MindTraveller ( @MindTraveller@lemmy.ca ) English1•2 months ago
There’s more than one, you ding dong. Why do you have to start a debate about the number of gods out of nowhere?
- Zozano ( @Zozano@lemy.lol ) English15•2 months ago
Symbol of oppression, symbol of oppression, symbol of oppression, symbol of oppression, symbol of oppression, symbol of oppression and symbol of oppression.
Why is it so hard to remember?
!queue replies slamming me for being culturally intolerant of oppressive ideologies!<
- Zozano ( @Zozano@lemy.lol ) English1•2 months ago
Typical. I get my comment deleted for opposing misogynist ideologies. Stay reddit, mods.
- rbn ( @rbn@sopuli.xyz ) English9•2 months ago
Crazy how many completely different names there are for different kinds of clothing that’s sooooo close to each other.
- jerkface ( @jerkface@lemmy.ca ) English12•2 months ago
How many different kinds of hats with entirely different names do you own? I have a sun hat, a toque, a helmet, a rain cap, one of those ones with flaps that I don’t know the name of but probably has one, and I’m sure half of you own a fedora and a trilby.
- rbn ( @rbn@sopuli.xyz ) English1•2 months ago
I see your point and I think the hats are a better example than the trousers comment below. Especially when it comes to traditional clothing, there’s a ton of different, very specialized hats with special names and for a 3rd person might be all just ‘hats’. Thanks for the analogy. :)
- SplashJackson ( @SplashJackson@lemmy.ca ) English8•2 months ago
Can men wear these? I want to scare my kids and these would be perfect
- Rentlar ( @Rentlar@lemmy.ca ) English3•2 months ago
I like the one resembling a Christmas tree.
- webghost0101 ( @webghost0101@sopuli.xyz ) English1•2 months ago
No, of course not. that would defy physics as some know it. These are clearly womens clothing and they can only possibly be fit by someone feline of birth. They also don’t feature a penis pocket so not sure where you would fold that all up.
- Lime Buzz (fae/she) ( @SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org ) English2•2 months ago
TIL AFAB = Assigned Feline At Birth, good to know.
- jerkface ( @jerkface@lemmy.ca ) English5•2 months ago
is there one word I can learn that describes all of these because honestly that’s too much to remember
- OldWoodFrame ( @OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee ) English4•2 months ago
Never heard of a Chador, looks cozy.
This drawing kind of makes a Burka look crazy, like she’s blindfolded.
- drdiddlybadger ( @drdiddlybadger@pawb.social ) English3•2 months ago
Its a mesh over the eyes iirc like very shear fabric.
- StopJoiningWars ( @StopJoiningWars@discuss.online ) English1•2 months ago
Trash bag, trash bag 2, trash bag 3, …