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 cerement   ( @cerement@slrpnk.net )  to Firefox@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago

Mozilla Has Been Suspiciously Silent About Google And Manifest V3

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Mozilla Has Been Suspiciously Silent About Google And Manifest V3

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 cerement   ( @cerement@slrpnk.net )  to Firefox@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago
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Opinion: Last week, Google announced that it is going to remove extensions using Manifest V2 from its Chrome extensions store at a very near time, and that
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  •  thingsiplay   ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 
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    Mozilla is silent about Firefox in general, not just about Manifest v2 and v3. I assume there is nothing new to report. Mozilla already stated somewhere they will support V2 and the extensions will work as before. But I don’t understand why Mozilla does not use this moment from marketing standpoint to market the Firefox Extension Manifest V2 the hell out of it.

    •  sunzu2   ( @sunzu2@thebrainbin.org ) BannedBanned from community
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      Why piss off the guy who pays your bills bro

      •  ReversalHatchery   ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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        Don’t they need to pay the bills if they don’t want to get in antitrust investigations?

        •  50MYT   ( @50MYT@aussie.zone ) 
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          Google lawyers would make the calculation on how much, if, when, what etc monthly on this.

          Mozilla’s actions would factor into the calculation, but are definitely not the deciding factor.

      •  Midnitte   ( @Midnitte@beehaw.org ) 
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        That check is going to run out sooner, rather than later

    •  Possibly linux   ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) 
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      Because they are an organizational mess.

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  •  hemko   ( @hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    Because it doesn’t make sense for all Firefox marketing material to be how shit chrome is. Save that bullshit for American president elections

    •  banazir   ( @banazir@lemmy.ml ) 
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      It will be exciting to see Kamala and Trump debate whether Gecko or Blink should be the industry leader.

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        Kinda off topic, but I find it weird that Kamala is usually referred by first name, and trump by surname.

        •  Malgas   ( @Malgas@beehaw.org ) 
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          I think it’s because that’s the more distinctive part of her name. “President Harris” sounds kind of generic, like the fictional president from an action movie.

          It may start to constitute a pattern that the same was true of Hillary Clinton, though in that case it was likely that just saying “Clinton” might cause confusion with Bill.

          Also Bernie Sanders is mostly referred to by his first name, so…

        •  scorp   ( @scorp@lemmy.ml ) 
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          Trump™ Kamala™

        •  Possibly linux   ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) 
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          They should get married. Then it would be Kamala Trump

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        Harris can’t deny the popularity of Blink. Trump is a die-hard EdgeHTML advocate.

      •  Midnitte   ( @Midnitte@beehaw.org ) 
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        Would it… though?

    •  Trilobite   ( @Trilobite@lemm.ee ) 
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      Not saying anything bad about chrome is probably in the contract they have with Google which is most of their income

      •  hemko   ( @hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        Nah I doubt, it would be a huge lawsuit if google was found to pay competitors for staying quiet about their flaws

        •  Trilobite   ( @Trilobite@lemm.ee ) 
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          Sure they could sue but that’s a lose lose situation even if they won Google would not give them money anymore and they need that to stay in Business

    •  Possibly linux   ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) 
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      Hold up

      American presidents are hating on Chrome? What did I miss?

  •  d0ntpan1c   ( @d0ntpan1c@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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    Manifest v3 extensions work in Firefox, too. Its just the new thing. Its way easier to build cross-browser extensions with, too. V3 is actually a good thing overall, as its led to a lot of extensions being available for Firefox when the devs might have just targeted chrome. Way more feature parity between browsers with v3.

    Chrome dropping support for v2 doesn’t merit a response from Firefox because nothing changes for Firefox users and they’re not going to drop support. Any one who actually cares (and they should) will move to Firefox on their own, so why waste advertising money on that? Eventually Firefox and any other browsers who want to allow stuff like ublock will probably have a way to do the same tasks in v3 (and the Firefox Dev team has said as much in blog posts for ages), then it’ll just be a feature that doesn’t work in chrome. V3 just simply doesn’t have the API that ublock uses in v2.

    There have been discussions for years in the w3c standards group about this whole shitshow and this is one the chrome team have basically refused to budge on despite all the other browser teams. Its honestlu a mirscle they delayed it as long as they have. This was originally supposed to happen at the start of 2023.

    Chrome is kinda like a country with a overrule veto vote at the UN when it comes to w3c working groups since they can just do whatever they want anyway, and nothing will change until they no longer have that power. That said, browser feature parity is at an all time high recently and its because all the browser teams are working together better than ever. There are just these hard limits chrome chooses to stick to.

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  •  kingthrillgore   ( @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ) 
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    "We really can’t rock the boat on this Google money "

  •  Karna   ( @KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml ) 
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    … because Mozilla already clarified their position on this last year.

    TL;DR

    No, Mozilla is NOT ditching manifest v2.

    Well what’s happening with MV2 you ask? Great question – in case you missed it, Google announced late last year their plans to resume their MV2 deprecation schedule. Firefox, however, has no plans to deprecate MV2 and will continue to support MV2 extensions for the foreseeable future. And even if we re-evaluate this decision at some point down the road, we anticipate providing a notice of at least 12 months for developers to adjust accordingly and not feel rushed.

    Source: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2024/03/13/manifest-v3-manifest-v2-march-2024-update/

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        but Mozilla itself doesn’t want to broach the topic.

        Again, a reminder that Mozilla plans to continue support for the Manifest Version 2 blocking WebRequest API (this API powers, for example, uBlock Origin) while simultaneously supporting Manifest Version 3.

        Source: https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/12/02/webextensions-mv3-webmidi-opensearch-pip-updates-and-more-these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-128/

        Years ago, Mozilla would explicitly call ad blocking a privacy feature, and proclaim it explicitly.

        Ahem! https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/ > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/adblocker/

        Cooking up conspiracy theory instead of research is easy, is not it?

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          •  Karna   ( @KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml ) 
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            Source: 2022

            Incorrect, that’s actually from 2022 B.C.

            And your other page was 2018

            Correct, the snap of article from 2018 looks exactly identical to 2024 instance with ZERO modifications. Mozilla finally gave us on Privacy it seems, as no one bothered to update that page since 2018.

            Wait a sec, they also haven’t updated this article as well since 2020. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browsers/compare/chrome/

            /s

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              •  Karna   ( @KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml ) 
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                Yes, like publishing a new article every day just to prove their commitment to end-users’ privacy.

                Incremental updates to articles, hosted literally on home page, with details of newer privacy features is so old school.

                Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

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  •  ZeroHora   ( @ZeroHora@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Mozilla should spent money to advertise(Is this right? I don’t know verbs fuck) a flaw in Chrome? It’s not like the public cares about it.

    •  ReversalHatchery   ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) 
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      No, not a flaw in chrome, it has always had flaws even regarding what security oriented extensions like uBO could do.
      Not a flaw in chrome, but that the tools they depended on still work over here.

    •  Possibly linux   ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) 
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      The do get most of there funding from Google

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    Biggest thing I learned from that article is that over 1/3 of users use an adblocker. I did not know adblockers had become so prevalent amongst normies

  •  masterofn001   ( @masterofn001@lemmy.ca ) 
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    There are thousands of user configurable flags/settings in about:config

    An option for Manifest V3 has been there for quite a while. It wasn’t enabled by default.

    In FF Nightly for Android it is enabled by default along with V2.

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    Why would it not be?

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