- redditReallySucks ( @redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 16•13 hours ago
https://orbitbymozilla.com/terms
4. Content
A. Content You Share
By using the Services, you represent that you will only share material (including Inputs) that you own and/or have the legal right to share and sublicense to others, including without limitation, content and data contained in any web-page shared through the Services to generate Outputs. When you submit your own content through the Services, you continue to own the rights to that content. You grant Mozilla a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, sub-license, prepare derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display the Inputs for the purpose of operating the Services.
- LWD ( @LWD@lemm.ee ) 6•9 hours ago
Thanks for the link to the privacy policy. You notice, at the bottom, it has links to both “About Mozilla” and “About FakeSpot”?
When you run the Orbit extension, it connects to two domains with every request:
- orbitbymozilla.com
- prod.orbit-ml-front-api.fakespot.prod.webservices.mozgcp.net
There’s FakeSpot again.
And FakeSpot has a terrible privacy policy that allows sale of private data directly to advertisers.
- GenderNeutralBro ( @GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ) English57•21 hours ago
Orbit currently uses a version of Mistral LLM (Mistral 7B) that is locally hosted on Mozilla’s Google Cloud Platform instance.
Hmm.
>locally hosted
>Google Cloud
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
- NaN ( @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ) English8•18 hours ago
Remember how the cloud is someone else’s server? Now you can buy it (or lease) and bring it home, and it becomes only sorta someone else’s.
Amazon and Azure offer their own on-prem products.
- LWD ( @LWD@lemm.ee ) 1•1 hour ago
Information We Share.
We use third parties to provide the Service to you, and have contracted with these companies requiring them to protect your information (Third-Party Services):
Google Cloud Platform. Google Cloud Platform (GCP) is a cloud-computing platform. We use GCP to manage services that facilitate responses to user prompts and page summarization.
- GenderNeutralBro ( @GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ) English6•9 hours ago
“Locally hosted” means it’s running on the local host. In this case, that would mean on the same computer running Firefox.
Calling something that is only accessible over the internet “locally hosted” is outrageous doublespeak.
- NaN ( @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ) English1•8 hours ago
Why does it mean that?
- GenderNeutralBro ( @GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ) English1•8 hours ago
Why does local mean local? I’m not sure I understand your question.
- NaN ( @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ) English3•7 hours ago
If they had said “locally hosted in our datacenter” would you be confused why they didn’t move a rack into your house?
My question is why are you projecting your limited interpretation as a global truth?
- Mr. Satan ( @mr_satan@monyet.cc ) 3•7 hours ago
In IT context local is a well establised term. It’s either hosted locally, i. e. on machine running the browser or not. A datacenter or cloud are remote machines also by the same well established definition.
- NaN ( @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ) English1•6 hours ago
Ok, now do your own datacenter vs cloud.
- LWD ( @LWD@lemm.ee ) 3•7 hours ago
The language is confusing, and Mozilla should fix it themselves.
The important takeaway is: data is sent over an IP address controlled by Google, to a remote server, running Google software. No processing is taking place on someone’s local computer.
- NaN ( @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ) English1•7 hours ago
IP address can belong to Mozilla, but the rest is correct.
- GenderNeutralBro ( @GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ) English2•7 hours ago
If they had said “locally hosted in our datacenter”
Then that would also be an oxymoron.
Local is the opposite of remote. This is a remote server. Remote servers are not local. This is not a matter of interpretation.
- NaN ( @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ) English1•7 hours ago
It is, actually. It is local to them, it is remote to you. They are differentiating from a remote server in someone else’s datacenter. It is not that confusing.
- smpl ( @smpl@discuss.tchncs.de ) English1•15 hours ago
lol, I think we’re giving too little credit to the marketing people in tech. I want to read their blogs!
- Parculis Marcilus ( @pmarcilus@discuss.tchncs.de ) 7•20 hours ago
It just started and already have buzzwords floating around
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 5•19 hours ago
Probably written by an AI?
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 17•19 hours ago
Orbit currently uses a version of Mistral LLM (Mistral 7B) that is locally hosted on Mozilla’s Google Cloud Platform instance.
So it connects to Google Cloud for this? What does that mean “locally”, if its a Cloud Platform? And what does that mean “Mozilla’s”, if its Google? I’m a bit confused with this sentence.
Does it download and execute it locally offline or does it send the data to Google Cloud Platform?? The page is not clear about this and I searched for an answer. I have the same Mistral 7B model that I downloaded from HuggingFace website and can use offline with a specific GUI application. It would be nice if I could Firefox point to that file instead.
Otherwise, this does not look very promising and I wouldn’t trust it at the moment.
- NaN ( @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ) English18•18 hours ago
Google Distributed Cloud allows you to run Google Cloud Platform locally in your own datacenter. They can deploy apps to that infrastructure and use the cloud console for management, or even use normal kubernetes tools for it.
Couldn’t say if that’s what they’re actually doing, but running Google Cloud locally is a thing.
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 2•18 hours ago
Thanks for the clarification. That’s interesting indeed. Unfortunately Mozilla is so dependent on Google.
- NaN ( @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ) English4•18 hours ago
I agree. I’d prefer they just run their own Kubernetes and manage it themselves. Maybe throw some business at Red Hat if they need help with it.
- sabreW4K3 ( @sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ) 3•16 hours ago
Not available on mobile, which is sad. I consume 99% of my internet via mobile devices.
If you install it from a file, everything else seems to work except dragging it around.
- sabreW4K3 ( @sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ) 1•13 hours ago
Thanks for the heads up.
- sub_ubi ( @sub_ubi@lemmy.ml ) 9•20 hours ago
why are they promoting web-based mail when their email solution is thunderbird?
- slacktoid ( @slacktoid@lemmy.ml ) English9•19 hours ago
Thunderbird is more a community project that’s outside of Mozilla’s jurisdiction at this point
- NaN ( @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ) English7•18 hours ago
Thunderbird is built by a for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, it just isn’t the Mozilla Corporation.
- slacktoid ( @slacktoid@lemmy.ml ) English2•6 hours ago
Thunderbird is an independent, community-driven project that is managed and overseen by the Thunderbird Council, which is elected by the Thunderbird Community.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird
No. It’s not.
Edit: sort of is, under a subsidiary called MZLA but still seems more independent from mozilla and their shenanigans (I hope)
- NaN ( @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ) English1•8 hours ago
What’s the sentence before that one?
Here, read the latest news: https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-moves-to-monetize-thunderbird-transfers-project-to-new-subsidiary/
Never wondered why Thunderbird donations aren’t tax deductible?
- slacktoid ( @slacktoid@lemmy.ml ) English1•8 hours ago
OK… Now what actionable thing can I do with this info? Use outlook? What good would that do?
I want firefox to exist to create a good browser and thunderbird to exist for a good email client. Is that too much to ask?
- NaN ( @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org ) English2•7 hours ago
I don’t think you need to do anything different. Sometimes when I learn new things I say “oh, interesting.”
- slacktoid ( @slacktoid@lemmy.ml ) English1•7 hours ago
Fair nuff. Sometimes it’s just overwhelming getting information of something I can’t do anything by. Like oh great another thing that’s going wrong rn… Woo hoo
- Turing spider ( @turing_spider574@lemm.ee ) 2•12 hours ago
That changed in 2020: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/
- geography082 ( @geography082@lemm.ee ) 1•14 hours ago
Wiki truth