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 Nemeski   ( @neme@lemm.ee )  to Firefox@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago

Orbit by Mozilla

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Orbit by Mozilla

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 Nemeski   ( @neme@lemm.ee )  to Firefox@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago
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  •  GenderNeutralBro   ( @GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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    Orbit currently uses a version of Mistral LLM (Mistral 7B) that is locally hosted on Mozilla’s Google Cloud Platform instance.

    Hmm.

    >locally hosted

    >Google Cloud

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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      •  GenderNeutralBro   ( @GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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        “Locally hosted” means it’s running on the local host. In this case, that would mean on the same computer running Firefox.

        Calling something that is only accessible over the internet “locally hosted” is outrageous doublespeak.

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          •  GenderNeutralBro   ( @GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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            Why does local mean local? I’m not sure I understand your question.

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              •  Mr. Satan   ( @mr_satan@monyet.cc ) 
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                In IT context local is a well establised term. It’s either hosted locally, i. e. on machine running the browser or not. A datacenter or cloud are remote machines also by the same well established definition.

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              •  GenderNeutralBro   ( @GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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                If they had said “locally hosted in our datacenter”

                Then that would also be an oxymoron.

                Local is the opposite of remote. This is a remote server. Remote servers are not local. This is not a matter of interpretation.

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    •  Parculis Marcilus   ( @pmarcilus@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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      It just started and already have buzzwords floating around

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        Probably written by an AI?

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    https://orbitbymozilla.com/terms

    4. Content

    A. Content You Share

    By using the Services, you represent that you will only share material (including Inputs) that you own and/or have the legal right to share and sublicense to others, including without limitation, content and data contained in any web-page shared through the Services to generate Outputs. When you submit your own content through the Services, you continue to own the rights to that content. You grant Mozilla a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, sub-license, prepare derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display the Inputs for the purpose of operating the Services.

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    Orbit currently uses a version of Mistral LLM (Mistral 7B) that is locally hosted on Mozilla’s Google Cloud Platform instance.

    So it connects to Google Cloud for this? What does that mean “locally”, if its a Cloud Platform? And what does that mean “Mozilla’s”, if its Google? I’m a bit confused with this sentence.

    Does it download and execute it locally offline or does it send the data to Google Cloud Platform?? The page is not clear about this and I searched for an answer. I have the same Mistral 7B model that I downloaded from HuggingFace website and can use offline with a specific GUI application. It would be nice if I could Firefox point to that file instead.

    Otherwise, this does not look very promising and I wouldn’t trust it at the moment.

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      •  thingsiplay   ( @thingsiplay@beehaw.org ) 
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        Thanks for the clarification. That’s interesting indeed. Unfortunately Mozilla is so dependent on Google.

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  •  MangoPenguin   ( @MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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    Well that’s disappointing.

    Just add it onto the pile of all the other stupid stuff Mozilla is doing I guess.

  •  sub_ubi   ( @sub_ubi@lemmy.ml ) 
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    why are they promoting web-based mail when their email solution is thunderbird?

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      Thunderbird is more a community project that’s outside of Mozilla’s jurisdiction at this point

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        •  slacktoid   ( @slacktoid@lemmy.ml ) 
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          Thunderbird is an independent, community-driven project that is managed and overseen by the Thunderbird Council, which is elected by the Thunderbird Community.

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird

          No. It’s not.

          Edit: sort of is, under a subsidiary called MZLA but still seems more independent from mozilla and their shenanigans (I hope)

          •  Turing spider   ( @turing_spider574@lemm.ee ) 
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            That changed in 2020: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/01/thunderbirds-new-home/

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            •  slacktoid   ( @slacktoid@lemmy.ml ) 
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              OK… Now what actionable thing can I do with this info? Use outlook? What good would that do?

              I want firefox to exist to create a good browser and thunderbird to exist for a good email client. Is that too much to ask?

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                •  slacktoid   ( @slacktoid@lemmy.ml ) 
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                  Fair nuff. Sometimes it’s just overwhelming getting information of something I can’t do anything by. Like oh great another thing that’s going wrong rn… Woo hoo

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    Not available on mobile, which is sad. I consume 99% of my internet via mobile devices.

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      If you install it from a file, everything else seems to work except dragging it around.

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        Thanks for the heads up.

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  •  Sam_Bass   ( @Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml ) 
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    and another one bites the dust heyhey

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    Prob not Privcy focusing extension

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    emails

    If you can’t spell a topic properly, I strongly doubt your ability to manage it. Simple-as.

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