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TheImpressiveX ( TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml )  to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 2 years ago

The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

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The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

www.pcgamer.com

TheImpressiveX ( TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml )  to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 2 years ago
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  • Fester ( Fester@lemm.ee ) 
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    It sued itself in its confusion!

    • Samsy ( Samsy@lemmy.ml ) 
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      This isn’t very effective.

  • youmaynotknow ( jjlinux@lemmy.ml ) 
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    LMAO. Fuck Nintendo and the “do as I say not as I do” BS.

    • pearsaltchocolatebar ( pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online ) 
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      Emulation is perfectly legal if you own the game.

    • IHeartBadCode ( IHeartBadCode@fedia.io ) 
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      do as I say not as I do

      Nintendo: Money! Fuck everything else.

      All other attributes derive from that.

  • Biskii ( Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    This really isn’t that surprising. They used ROMs for the classic games in Animal Crossing. They even had evidence it was from a release group, and not Nintendo’s own copies

    I really don’t understand why this is embarrassing. I don’t know the exact setup they have going on. Is it like a kiosk where people can play classic games, or is it a monitor just displaying them? They have their own emulator, Canoe, that they used for the SNES Classic. I don’t remember the name of the NES one

    Weren’t at least some of the games in the Super Mario Collection ROMs? I guess I can see why people would expect a direct port from the company that created it, or original hardware running the original games, but it isn’t like Nintendo doesn’t already have a track record for this sort of thing

    • Zorsith ( Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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      It’s embarrassing because of how extremely litigious Nintendo is, and that they are themselves profiting using other people’s work (emulators and/or ROMs acquired from the internet), the exact thing they ruin lives over.

      • Biskii ( Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        I’m not saying they haven’t used others work in the past, but they do have their own emulators and ROMs. They have for a long time. They are still terrible, but this just doesn’t seem like a big deal to me

        Edit: Also, whose lives have they ruined aside from those profiting off of distributing copyrighted material? Taking down a fan game doesn’t sound life ruining

      • catloaf ( catloaf@lemm.ee ) Banned from community
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        Aren’t the emulators licensed for this kind of use?

      • The Octonaut ( TheOctonaut@mander.xyz ) 
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        Just so we’re clear, are you under the impression that “ROMs acquired from the Internet” represent something other than Nintendo’s work?

        • Zorsith ( Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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          Yes, i would generally consider ripping roms as something requiring effort similar to cracking a game

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            …

            “Ripping” ROMs, or dumping them, takes almost no effort. If you have the cartridge reader its about as much work as taking photos off an SD card. Certainly nothing at all like cracking a game, which is pretty much software development.

            Please consider informing yourself before forming strong opinions.

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              This is the part where I focus for half a second and realize this is about SNES and everything makes a lot more sense. I would hope newer stuff would have some form of protection 😅

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    • 4am ( 4am@lemm.ee ) 
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      You think they wrote their own emulator instead of just taking one of the free ones on the internet (who they will likely sue later). That’s cute.

      • Magiilaro ( DarkMetatron@feddit.org ) 
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        Well yes, yes they did. It is called Canoe and is for example running inside the SNES Classic Mini. And that is not the only emulator they wrote. Writing an emulator is not some obscure magic, and it is way easier if you own all the schematics and other Information used to build the original hardware.

      • Alice ( Alice@beehaw.org ) 
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        Is it a known thing that they discontinued canoe or something?

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      That’s not how any of that works

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        • Lumu ( Lumu@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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          Sure but why would the source code be available? It’d be funny if it was but it’s probably a compiled program, right?

  • Blaze (he/him) ( Blaze@lemmy.zip ) 
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    No way

    • Björn ( bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ) 
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      Their NES and SNES mini consoles were also just off the shelf ARM SBCs running emulators. If I recall correctly people even found signatures of release groups in some of the ROMs.

      • SitD ( SitD@lemy.lol ) 
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        technicians just know what’s good. unfortunately every company becomes too big for its own good and inspirationless ghouls take over 😔 the palworld thing also just shows they could be so successful if they take off the shackles and make a good game, but now they want to shackle everyone else so no one can have good games

      • Biskii ( Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        They are at least Nintendo’s own in-house emulators. I don’t recall the situation with the Classic systems ROMs, but Animal Crossing had the release group signatures if I’m not mistaken. They’ve been pulling this garbage for a long time

        • Moonrise2473 ( Moonrise2473@feddit.it ) 
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          The nes roms in animal crossing for N64 had the header for the ines emulator. Now, a few years before Nintendo hired a guy who worked on the audio driver for ines, and that tomohiro is credited with lots of emu projects for Nintendo, so it’s not impossible that they reused that header idea. In the gigaleak there’s a tool that adds the ines header to clean roms.

          This said, it’s also not impossible that they’re taking a peek in other OSS emulators source code, i recall that luigiblood (a guy obsessed in decompiling Nintendo emulators) found traces of 64dd emulator code from pj64 in some Nintendo product, which then was silently removed after he tweeted about that

          • Biskii ( Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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            This is very educational, thank you. Just out of curiosity, what has Nintendo done with the 64dd? I thought they had forgotten about it

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              They seem to have included support for an unofficial 64dd cartridge adapter used for homebrew/development/piracy which for an official product makes no sense

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                That’s very interesting. I can’t even think of a game worth doing that for. Not trying to say there isn’t, I just don’t have one off the top of my head

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    What’s so embarrassing? Emulation for backward compatibility is done all the times

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      I guess people are assuming it runs whatever third party emulator. It was at least how I first imagined it.

      If that’s the case, it’s in my opinion very embarrassing: attempting to profit from stuff made by the community they act extremely hostile towards.

      If not, I guess it’s just mildly embarrassing that they have a poorly concealed windows machine taking away from the immersion.

      • greenacres3233 ( greenacres3233@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        • Bezier ( Bezier@suppo.fi ) 
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          Well yeah, but it might as well be their own in-house emulator.

        • Biskii ( Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          They really should have used their own PC OS

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        It’s a weird assumption. Like I said, emulation for backward compatibility is common. Do they always just wait for some random strangers to implement an emulator for them?

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          It’s a weird assumption. Like I said, emulation for backward compatibility is common.

          Nintendo has some serious emulation experts for building products, but this setup rigged by some museum staff could be anything.

          Do they always just wait for some random strangers to implement an emulator for them?

          Waiting? There is zero chance availability is an issue. There are many ready to go snes emulators for windows out there.

        • Biskii ( Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          They have literally had their own emulators for so long. At least since the SNES Classic released. It is called Canoe

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      Thst they use windows, ew

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  • bender223 ( bender223@lemmy.today ) 
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    Someone call Alanis Morisette 🤣

  • Moonrise2473 ( Moonrise2473@feddit.it ) 
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    It would be interesting to plug an usb rubber duckie to own that station and dump all the disk somewhere

  • Cassa ( Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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    how did lemmy piracy suddenly turn to defending nintendo…

    nintendo pulls rom sites down, sure - it’s their shit (https://www.pcworld.com/article/402404/nintendo-suit-rom-emulation-game-preservation.html)

    Nintendo is using roms from these sites to sell to consumers within their own “ecosystem” (https://www.eurogamer.net/did-nintendo-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us)

    Not even close to all of nintendos titles are avaliable on their online stores, and the mini-snes or whatever did not have even close to all their titles.

    point is. Nintendo is NOT preserving their own games. And they sue anyone doing anything like preserving it for the public.

    • Biskii ( Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      Then please explain the Dolphin Emulator to me

      • Cassa ( Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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        what? whaddya mean? the fact that it exists?

        https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/05/the-solid-legal-theory-behind-nintendos-new-emulator-takedown-effort/

        or the fact that nintendo doesn’t want it to “spread” Come here without defending big megacorpo or leave please

        • Biskii ( Biskii@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          That literally says theory in the title

          This isn’t even your instance and you are telling me to leave lmao

  • Xianshi ( Xianshi@lemm.ee ) 
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    Fuck nintendo

  • K0W4LSK1 ( K0W4LSK1@links.hackliberty.org ) 
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    do you think they make the games on consoles as well.

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