That’s a good point, but there’s more to this story than a gunshot.

The lawsuit alleges amongst other things this the chatbots are posing are licensed therapist, as real persons, and caused a minor to suffer mental anguish.

A court may consider these accusations and whether the company has any responsibility on everything that happened up to the child’s death, regarless of whether they find the company responsible for the death itself or not.

They are for adult weirdos.

Where do I sign up?

Yeah, it’s not good if it’s profit driven, all kinds of shady McFuckery can arise from that.

Maybe local chat bots will become a bit more accessible in time.

You could run your own if you have the hardware for it (most upper mid-range gaming pc will do, 6gb+ gpu)

Then something like KoboldAI + SillyTavern would work well

There’s plenty of free ways to use LLMs, including having the models run locally on your computer instead of an online service, which vary greatly in quality and privacy. There’s some limited free ones too, but imo they’re all shit and extremely stupid, in the literal sense - you get even better results with a small model on your computer. They can be fun, especially if they work well, but the magic kinda goes away when you understand more how they actually work, which also makes all the little “mistakes” of them very obvious and that kind of kills the immersion and with that the fun of it.

A good chat can indeed feel pretty good if you’re lonely, but you kinda have to understand that they are not real, and that goes not just for potentially bad chats, but even for the good ones. An LLM is not a replacement for real people, nothing an LLM outputs is real. And yes, if you have issues with addictions, then you may want to keep your distance. I remember how people got addicted to regular chat rooms back in the early days of the world wide web, now imagine those people with a machine that can roleplay any scenario you want to play with it. If you don’t know your limits then that can be very bad indeed, even outside of taking them too seriously.

I can generally only advice to just not take them seriously. They’re tools for entertainment, toys. Nothing more, nothing less.

America

This is why we gotta ban TikTok!!! \s

A very poor Lemmy article headline. The linked article says “alleged” and clearly there were multiple factors involved.

As a European I am astonished, that the article never mentions, or even questions, why this child had access to a loaded firearm.

The chatbot might be a horrible mess and shouldn’t be accessible by children, but a gun should be even less accessible to a child.

You’ve called? /J

The issue with LLMs is that they say what’s expected of them based on the context they’ve been fed on. If you’re opening up your vulnerabilities to an LLM, it can act in all kinds of ways, but once they’re sort of set on a course they don’t really sway away from it unless you force it to. If you don’t know how they work and how to do that, or maybe you’re self loathing to a point where you don’t want to, it will kick you further while you’re already down. As a user you kinda gaslight them into whatever behavior you want from them, and then they just follow along with that. I can definitely see how that can be dangerous for those who are already in a dark place, even more so if they maybe don’t understand the concept behind them, taking the output more serious than they should.

Unfortunately, various guards & safety measures tend to just censor LLMs to the point of becoming unusable, which drives people away from them towards those that are uncensored - and with them, everything goes, which again, requires enough knowledge and foresight to use them.

I can only advise to not take LLMs seriously. Treat them as a toy, as entertainment. They can be fun, stupid, vile, which also can be fun depending on your mindset… Just never let the output get to you on a personal level. Don’t use them for mental health or whatever either. No matter how good you may write them, no matter how well some chats may go, they’re not a replacement for a real therapy, just like they’re no replacement for a real friendship, or a real romantic relationship, or a real family.

THAT BEING SAID… I’m a little suspicious of the shown chat log. The suicide question seems to come very out of the blue and those bots tend to follow their contextualized settings very well. I doubt they’d bring that up without previous context from the chat, or maybe even this was a manual edit, which I’d assume is something character.ai supports - someone correct me if I’m wrong though. I wouldn’t be surprised if he added that line himself, already being suicidal, to have the chat steer towards that direction and force certain reactions out of the bot. I say this because those bots are usually not very creative in steering away from their existing context, like their character description and the previous chat log, making edits like this sometimes necessary to have them snap out of it.

The entire article also completely glosses over a very important part here: WHERE DID THE KID GET THE GUN FROM?! It’s like two pages long and only mentions that he shot himself at the beginning, with no further mention of it afterwards. Why did he have a gun? How did he get it? Was it his mother’s gun? Then why was it not locked away? This article seems to seek the fault with the LLM, rather than the parents who somehow failed to handle the situation of their sons mental health issues and somehow failed to oversee a gun in a household, or the country who failed to regulate its firearms properly.

I do agree that especially “AI” advertisement is very predatory though. I’ve seen some of those ads, specifically luring you with their “AI girlfriends”, which is definitely preying on lonely people, which are likely to have mental health issues already.