• A “women are property” sign showed up in Texas, complete with a reference to old Jewish law via Romans.

      In Sunday school I learned that when Jesus arrived it was now his way not the Old Testament way. And yet. Lewis Black has a whole stand up bit regarding his utter confusion at Christians wanting to tap into his god, who he describes as “a real son of a bitch”.

      In the context of what is about to happen in America, it makes complete sense. It’s a cherry picked excuse to treat us as prized livestock.

      Legacy is a commodity. I would argue it’s the ultimate commodity. And men don’t have choice there unless it’s given to them by a women. Or an abortion ban, wherein rapists now get to choose. Put the pieces together and legacy, in conjunction with traditional male roles attached to that will be sitting in the center.

  • God damnit the dating scene is already brutal enough. Dating apps are crap. I’m seeing a ton of friends going 4b. And the worst thing (from a dating perspective) is that they are right.

    Fuck you Republicans. I hope all your sex dolls pop.

    • Fuck you Republicans. I hope all your sex dolls pop.

      Read Handmaid’s Tale. They won’t need dolls.

      Margaret Atwood made sure that everything that happens in that story is something that has happened in real life at some point in history. It will now happen again.

  • Strange how this appears to be a very close carbon copy of MGTOW - don’t marry, don’t have kids, don’t cohabitate, focus on yourself over chasing skirts - and yet 4B is celebrated and MGTOW is vilified. Surprising how blatant the anti-male gender bigotry gets.

    It gets even crazier when you realize that MGTOW is doing that one thing women have been begging men to do for generations - for men to leave them completely alone, to not approach them or flirt with them or bother them in any way - and yet MGTOW men are crucified for doing exactly that.

    Hypocrisy, much?

    I mean, 4B is a good thing. Humanity is already four times past the planet’s safe carrying capacity, so less humans are what we should be aiming for. Plus, if this 4B thing takes off and has a deep impact over decades, most women involved with it will exit out of their fertility window - from age 15 to 35 - without ever having had a child.

    I’m an egalitarian. If MGTOW is a thing, why not 4B? Both should be able to exist.

    What I have a problem with, however, is that any fair and equitable society cannot celebrate one and vilify the other. Otherwise, why call it “equality,” when it is anything but that?

    • The 4B movement in South Korea is meant to oppose their patriarchal state because they don’t want to be viewed as reproductive tools.

      On the other hand the movement you’re talking about is meant to “protect” against feminism and oppose a supposed bias against men in society, which is ludicrous when you consider that women are discriminated against much much more to the point it’s not even comparable. It’s just a misogynistic movement.

      So no, this isn’t hypocrisy, these are very different.

      Now, if men made a movement to protest gendered expectations or real problems without jumping through a thousand hoops to blame feminism, and without its logic being based in misogyny, I think that would be better received.

  • I’m afraid of this backfiring due to newly re-entrenched & emboldened misogyny refusing to do anything against those raping women for refusing to have sex with them. The incels that have been stewing in their resentment for years are gonna explode, and many will get away with it.