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PhilipTheBucket ( PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat )  to Technology@lemmy.zipEnglish · 9 months ago

Terrified friends burn to death trapped in Tesla as doors won't open after crash

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Terrified friends burn to death trapped in Tesla as doors won't open after crash

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The only survivor of the October 24 fire was a woman in her 20s who was able to get to safety after a quick thinking passer-by smashed a window of the burning Model Y car to free her
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  • Nougat ( Nougat@fedia.io ) 
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    There is a manual override in Tesla cars but the feature is not widely publicized, experts say.

    Tesla isn’t the only culprit here. Any manufacturer that makes cars with electric doors should be required to also have a prominent and easily reachable manual override, instead of hiding a tiny lever underneath the armrest or on the floor, or behind the person’s seat on the pillar somewhere, or any fucking place that isn’t where you would expect a door handle to be.

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      Should just be a law to have a regular fucking door handle, we don’t need fancy/electric doors. Telsa’s should all be taken off the road with their shitty track record.

      • lambalicious ( lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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        What? Regulating Elon’s enterpreneuments? In this fine coming year of Trump 2025?

        • warm ( warm@kbin.earth ) 
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          Considering he will be leading a government department he just called “DOGE”, along with the rest of Trump, I’d say the USA is royally fucked, Tesla will be the least of their troubles.

          You reap what you sow.

          • harsh3466 ( harsh3466@lemmy.ml ) 
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            We’re totally fucked.

        • Monument ( Monument@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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          This is morbid but one of my favorite “butterfly” effect news stories in the last year was around the death of Angela Chao after she backed her car into a pond while intoxicated.

          Okay, so - here’s the setup:
          The Chao family is a very wealthy family. In the 1960’s the family patriarch got into the shipping business and has done very well, garnering money and power. Wealth and power beget wealth and power. Mitch McConnell is even married to one of the daughters - Elaine Chao.
          Well, Bush appointed E. Chao to Labor Secretary during his presidency. Mind you, she’s not just Mitch’s wife - she has been in government since the late 80’s. One of the talking points in republican circles during the Bush years was that there was a massive decrease in worker safety complaints. They attributed this to businesses behaving themselves and say that this is evidence that self-regulation can work. What was learned later is that OSHA simply didn’t enforce many regulations or follow up on many complaints, instead choosing to focus on trying to find fraud within unions.
          Cut to Trump. He appoints Elaine - still Mitch McConnell’s wife, and daughter of a transportation magnate - to be the Department of Transportation’s Secretary. The ethics concerns notwithstanding, the department hand waved many things through, such as the tesla doors mentioned in the article above, as well as the Tesla Model X’s confusing forward/reverse system, which is cited as being a reason for the death of Angela Chao, her sister.

          • lambalicious ( lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
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            Man, this will be fun to quote at work parties!

      • zurohki ( zurohki@aussie.zone ) 
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        IIRC it’s because if the frameless window setup Teslas use - it needs to wind the windows down slightly before you open the door, so it uses an electronic control to tell the car to do that.

        • curbstickle ( curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          So a shit design, yeah, that’s what we’re talking about.

    • PhilipTheBucket ( PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat ) OP
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      Or, you could just have the door handle be the manual override.

      It is a laughably easy thing to have the release for the door from the inside be the same kind of mechanical door release we’ve always done, for obvious safety reasons, and then have a little solenoid which can also trigger the release of the mechanical door release if the computer wants it to open.

      The only reason to do it otherwise, and then need a separate manual release handle, is if you are okay with people dying in exactly this fashion so that you can make your shiny thing in the exact shiny way you want to make it.

      • zurohki ( zurohki@aussie.zone ) 
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        Teslas need to crack the windows before you open the door, that’s why they complicate the door release. If you don’t give the computer a moment to move the window before the door opens you can damage things.

        • curbstickle ( curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          You keep pointing out the design flaw, but I think we are aware that its a flawed design.

        • Rivalarrival ( Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ) 
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          Tesla isn’t the only manufacturer of doors with frameless windows. They are the only ones I know of who have electric-only door latches.

          The computer can have the window cracked before the handle is fully pulled. And if it fails to do so, the door opens anyway.

          A better solution is a fucking window frame.

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            My car has frameless windows. But they don’t need the window to be in any particular place. Literally 100% up or down, and the door works fine. I don’t understand why they designed cars that have this problem.

            But yeah, framed windows work great too.

        • PhilipTheBucket ( PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat ) OP
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          Thank you for giving the explanation, but I think you’re getting flamed for it because it sounds like you’re saying that decision makes sense.

          They introduced the design constraint. They can remove it, or work around it mechanically. They chose not to, and instead made a death-trap on purpose. I’m sure they had their reasons at the time, but they are by definition bad reasons if they led to this outcome.

          • TassieTosser ( TassieTosser@aussie.zone ) 
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            He’s getting flamed because convertibles have been doing frameless door windows forever with manual overrides. It’s not something super special Tesla has done. Musk just doesn’t want to spend the extra money doing it right.

          • Universal Monk ( UniversalMonk@lemm.ee ) Banned
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            They chose not to, and instead made a death-trap on purpose

            I don’t think it’s a death-trap “on purpose,” but it’s def a death-trap by negligence. Which is still bad. Very very bad.

        • Wolf314159 ( Wolf314159@startrek.website ) 
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          Why is that obvious design flaw relevant?

    • Possibly linux ( possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) 
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      It is so intuitive, just disassemble the door when the car is on fire.

    • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ( fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      On at least the model 3 and Y it’s fairly intuitive for the front seats. For the rear? Not so much.

      https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html

      Note Not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors.

      :/

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        It should be as intuitive as getting out of any car, a regular handle.

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    Killed by the department of efficiency

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      It’s an apt analogue for what we should all expect from the DOGE; burning to death while everyone watches in terror.

      • Manalith ( Manalith@midwest.social ) 
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        Holy fuck, I never registered that that was the acronym for it.

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  • USSMojave ( USSMojave@startrek.website ) 
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    Friendly reminder that everyone should have one of these seatbelt-cutter-window-hammer things in their glovebox

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      Other nice options as stocking stuffers can be spread around the car, like in each door, glovebox, keychain. The hammer type you linked is easier to hold, but you may not be able to reach the glovebox.

      I have broken windows with all three of these exact products during regular extrication training as a firefighter.

    • Possibly linux ( possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) 
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      Also never go out the drivers side. That Window is more expensive

      • fatboy93 ( fatboy93@lemm.ee ) 
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        Ahh yes, the window that is worth more than my life.

        • Possibly linux ( possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) 
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          Well you should really be thinking about the long term.

  • Blackmist ( Blackmist@feddit.uk ) 
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    This is what it says on their website. Hope you’ve got the link handy if you’re in a crash, and also that you’re not in one that doesn’t have this…

    • grrgyle ( grrgyle@slrpnk.net ) 
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      Are you kidding meeeee

      • Blackmist ( Blackmist@feddit.uk ) 
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        Look it’s very simple if you get in a crash and are on fire.

        Stop. Drop. Roll. Remove the mat from the bottom of the rear door pocket. Press the red tab to remove the access door. Pull the mechanical release cable forward. Remember that not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors. Die.

        Rolls right off the tongue. If you’re still in trouble call 0118 999 88199 9119 725 3.

      • Comment105 ( Comment105@lemm.ee ) 
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        Door handles are ugly though.

        Worth a few lives to get them out of the way.

        • Blackmist ( Blackmist@feddit.uk ) 
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          And don’t you know how many cents a door handle costs? Christ, we’re not made of money.

    • jagged_circle ( jagged_circle@feddit.nl ) 
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      Link?

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        https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html

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    Hell yeah let’s put this guy in charge of something

    • OpenStars ( OpenStars@startrek.website ) 
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      Hey I have an idea, let’s put him in charge of… “Technology”?

      • prole ( prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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        The reality is so so so much worse.

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    In my neck of the woods a couple weeks ago five people burned to death in a Tesla. Apparently called 911 from inside the car too. No national news on this either.

    https://www.veronapress.com/townnews/highway/update-on-nov-1-town-of-verona-crash-that-killed-five-people/article_39070b78-9ad8-11ef-8de9-a7707b602caa.html

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      In my neck of the woods, four people burned to death in a Tesla last month (news article in French).

      https://www.ouest-france.fr/nouvelle-aquitaine/deux-sevres/une-voiture-electrique-prend-feu-pres-de-niort-au-moins-trois-des-quatre-occupants-decedent-d4eabc66-8939-11ef-a747-441efd5dcd49

  • itslilith ( itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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    What fucking idiot builds fail-deadly electric door controls into a very flammable car

    • ByteOnBikes ( ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net ) 
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      Anything owned by Muskrat

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      There is a manual unlock mechanism, but from what I read it’s rather hidden and not very obvious. Sounds like really bad design to me.

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    what a metaphor for America

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  • cmnybo ( cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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    Any car without manual door locks and handles is a death trap. They should be required by law.

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      Every Tesla on the road has manual door release.

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        But not on the door handle, rendering it useless in an emergency situation.

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        Some of them even have it on all of the doors. It’s not very helpful if they hide it somewhere you’ll never find it if you didn’t memorize the entire owner’s manual though.

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    So happy my car is not a tesla.

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    Here’s another instance from two weeks ago

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      Apparently called 911 from inside the car.

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    Always have an emergency tool in your car to break your windows in case this shit happens to you. Even if you’re in a car not designed by a god damn moron.

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      Didn’t these used to be part of the seat belt? Has that standard changed?

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        Well, any seatbelt still has a metal point or two, which can be used to break the window. But the person inside still needs to be conscious and not-panicking enough to realize that fact.

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    In the US there are nine investigations involving the Tesla Model Y, ranging from “unexpected brake activation” to “sudden unintended acceleration,” according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

    Nice

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      Those investigations will all end with “nothing to see here” in about 3 months from now.

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      Those investigations will all end with “nothing to see here” in about 3 months from now

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    Ah when you try to reinvent the the wheel, fail, and then kill people with it

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