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random ( random@lemmy.blahaj.zone )  to Ye Power Trippin' Bastards@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 2 years ago

the us is an authoritarian state

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the us is an authoritarian state

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random ( random@lemmy.blahaj.zone )  to Ye Power Trippin' Bastards@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish · 2 years ago
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  • unexposedhazard ( unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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    To be fair, he didnt say he was against authoritariamism.

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      You and I disagree, so it’s obvious you’re just a Kremlin bot account, here to sow discontent.

    • Scoopta ( Scoopta@programming.dev ) 
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      Not really sure how you came to that conclusion, we definitely have our problems, we aren’t perfect, but we definitely aren’t an authoritarian state either

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        • Scoopta ( Scoopta@programming.dev ) 
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          So you’re anti-Semitic…got it, explains everything

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            • Scoopta ( Scoopta@programming.dev ) 
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              The fuck are you actually on about???

              • MadhuGururajan ( MadhuGururajan@programming.dev ) 
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                Use some other words than “anti-semitism”. That card is too old and has dog ears

          • MadhuGururajan ( MadhuGururajan@programming.dev ) 
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            I suppose you excuse whatever the Israeli state does in Palestine? What say you about the violation of geneva conventions?

            • Scoopta ( Scoopta@programming.dev ) 
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              Of course not, depends on what it is. You can’t just write a blank check so to speak and tolerate ANY behavior, that’s not remotely acceptable no matter the side, but alas no matter what I say Israel doing anything other than rolling over is them doing too much for you guys.

          • kittenzrulz123 ( kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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            As a Jewish “Israeli” (Occupied Palestine) I am a proud antisemite, I wear that word as a badge of honor.

      • SinAdjetivos ( SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org ) 
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        The USA has the highest incarcerated population in the world. Per capita it’s about 2-4x the list of “authoritarian” states that usually get referenced.

        Do you want to do a quick compare on the rates of extrajudicial killings as well?

        I don’t know what better quantitative measurement for “authoritarian” are than life and liberty. Do you have better ones?

        • Scoopta ( Scoopta@programming.dev ) 
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          While this is true I’m not sure what that has to do with authoritarianism. I think the reasons for incarceration speak far more to what is authoritarian and what isn’t. A thousand people incarcerated for murder isn’t authoritarian, a single person jailed for speech is. The US doesn’t have a perfect track record there but it’s far better than most other countries.

          • volodya_ilich ( volodya_ilich@lemm.ee ) 
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            An ethnic minority criminalised and prosecuted several times more than the ethnic majority of the country is authoritarian though.

            • random ( random@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) OP
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              oh, like uyghurs?

              • volodya_ilich ( volodya_ilich@lemm.ee ) 
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                Oh, do you have any statistics to bring up showing current, post-2021 incarceration rates by ethnicity in China?

                • random ( random@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) OP
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                  only found this

                  and guess why I couldn’t find an official and transparent statistic…

                  because china is very authoritarian and has a lot to hide

            • M0oP0o ( M0oP0o@mander.xyz ) 
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              No, its a hallmark of an authoritarian rule, not the proof of one. Believe it or not many places in history have been right bastards and have also been anti-authoritarian (think french revolution, the start of most communist revolutions, etc.) sometimes they are so anti-authoritarian they end up authoritarian.

          • SinAdjetivos ( SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org ) 
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            Homicide rate is far less than other countries.

            People are jailed and murdered in the US over “speech” all the time.

            It seems like your “us is far better” is based purely on vibes… Unless you’ve got some numbers you’d like to share?

      • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol ( IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    • zephorah ( zephorah@lemm.ee ) 
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      Is it a mock-up of Trump being a general dipshit, getting things wrong, then aggressively doubling down on those things when people say anything.

  • SoJB ( SoJB@lemmy.ml ) 
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    fascist attempts to spread liberal fascist US state dept propaganda that has been debunked thousands of times over

    cries about muh freeze peach when told to stop spreading misinformation

    Yeah go back to .world, bud

    • lukewarm_ozone ( lukewarm_ozone@lemmy.today ) 
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      …this screenshot is from lemmy.world.

      • nomy ( nomy@lemmy.zip ) 
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        Go easy on them, ml users aren’t known for their observation skills.

    • random ( random@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) OP
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      > the us is authoritarian (which is bad)

      > I’m not authoritarian (which is good)

      > if you disagree, we’ll ban you

      let me guess… your logic was made in china too, damn tankie

    • kittenzrulz123 ( kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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      That doesn’t sound very patriotic? Dont you know 'Merica is the freest country in the world. You’re free to have your labor value exploited and your tax dollars sent of to forign genocidal regimes, if you disagree you’re free to go to prison for protesting and be used as free labor.

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    YDI BPR

    Clearly it’s not a place to try and defend America. The mod is probably a tankie dick, but you’re the one who went into their space.

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      • lumpenproletariat ( Deceptichum@quokk.au ) 
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        What hypocrisy? It’s not called AntiAuthority.

        It’s idiotic in that it ignores Xi’s 50 years of being involved in the party, and the power he’s head since before he was Gen sec. I wouldn’t call it a strawman, although it’s a pretty selective interpretation.

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          • lumpenproletariat ( Deceptichum@quokk.au ) 
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            Mate, they’re not a bloody fucking government themselves are they? Talk about 2+2=7 alright…

            And it’s not a strawman, it’s not in response to anyone. It’s at blurst whataboutism.

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              • lumpenproletariat ( Deceptichum@quokk.au ) 
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                It does change when it comes to voluntary spaces. Their instance is like a club, it can impose its own rules on itself it’s not hurting anyone. A state imposing rules affects everyone and it’s damn hard to move.

                You cannot begin to compare state oppression to Lemmy moderation.

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            • _cryptagion [he/him] ( _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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              Listen, you and I know you’re not that stupid, so stop pretending to be.

              • lumpenproletariat ( Deceptichum@quokk.au ) 
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                Apparently you are.

                You think it’s fine to go into a community to harass it, yet complain when you get banned.

                You act like it’s totally fine to go into these spaces and be a dick, because you believe its hypocritical that they treated an online community differently to a fucking nation state?

                Stop pretending to be a fucking dickhead, you can clearly see what Op did was wrong but because you don’t like the community you think it was okay to be done.

                • The_Terrible_Humbaba ( The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net ) 
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                  How did they “harass it”. You still haven’t managed to explain that. The person the mod replied to never said the US is not authoritarian. They can disagree with the mod and still think the US is authoritarian. Stop being a dumbass and defending another dumbass.

    • JackbyDev ( JackbyDev@programming.dev ) 
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      What does YDI BPR mean?

      • redrum ( redrumBot@lemmy.ml ) 
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        You Deserve It and Bait Provoked Reaction.

        They are explained in the community sidebar:

        Some acronyms you might see.

        • PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
        • YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
        • BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
        • CLM - Clueless mod: The mod probably just doesn’t understand how their software works.
  • Farid ( abfarid@startrek.website ) 
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    Plot twist: The mod is from US and just proving their point.

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    They’re getting reamed out in the comments, which is great to see.

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    100% YDI, there’s no power tripping for moderator to kick someone out for useless flaming or trolling, it’s one of their duties.

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    take that shouldn’t be hot: except for in very small communities, mods should not do moderation on their own posts’ comment section, especially when they are the type to be super defensive and invested in their posts’ success. this is the case with those like jordanlund, flyingsquid and the PTB here.

    in other words, !usauthoritarianism@lemmy.world has two mods. if mod A makes a participatory (non-pinned/PSA) post, mod B should be the one that handles violations in that posts’ comments. especially if mod A is a frequent commenter and gets into arguments easily.

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    The place is filled with plenty of examples of US authoritarianism. Consider lurking before posting OP.

    • random ( random@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) OP
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      never said the us wasn’t authoritarian, I was just making fun of the ptb

    • LifeInMultipleChoice ( LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      Why would it be considered authoritarian to state that you wont rule out military use to rule over the Panama Canal or ban medical procedures decided between doctors and patients?

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    Tolerant for the intolerant smth smth

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    • ArxCyberwolf ( Snowpix@lemmy.ca ) 
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      You sure do, Antiyanks. It’s been months and you care enough to keep making accounts… this is what, your several hundredth?

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        • ArxCyberwolf ( Snowpix@lemmy.ca ) 
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          So… do you not have anything better to do with your time? It’s been literal months of new accounts, you really need a better hobby my guy. Focus that energy on something more productive than getting banned over and over.

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