As you may know, I moved to using my blahaj.zone account almost exclusively, as I kinda disliked the vibe I was getting from .world. At the same time, I also want to gage the feelings people have about the migration. Will you continue to use 196 on lemmy.world? Are you happy with the change? I want to hear from you:
Very unhappy with the change, I probably won’t go to the .world community and expect/hope that someone will just recreate 196 on Blåhaj.
Every interaction I’ve had with .world mods has rubbed me the wrong way, they don’t take criticism well and are way to keen to appeal to centrist bullshit and shitty lib takes. Blåhaj is my favourite space on the internet at the moment because of the way Ada manages things, I feel safe here. That the 196 mods have a problem with that sends a pretty concerning message imo.
yep. the only thing i would add is that theres already too much content on .world. we need to spread content out horizontally instead of just centralizing it on the biggest instance.
Excellent point
I feel like im missing something here; i though 196 was already part of blahaj.zone? Is this more drama from pug?Oh fuck all of this nonsense. They can try to build their own 196 (with blackjack and hookers) elsewhere if they want, why tf are they being allowed to tank the existing 196!?
All/most of the mods seemed onboard with it, so the community would need to find new mods if it were to remain open. I would be willing to help mod such a com, but I’m not willing to spearhead it. I don’t want to stretch myself thin.
My guess is that the 196 mods decided to do this because they have lemmy.world friends who got banned from blahaj.zone. There has been a growing disconnect between some frequent posters of 196, and the rest of the community. They post good stuff and might even contribute a majority of the content on some days, but they also have edgier sensibilities and higher tolerances for bullshit. This situation doesn’t seem ideological to the mods because their motivation is personal. However, personal relationships play a larger role in our beliefs than most people think.
The mistake the mods made was assuming the queer culture of 196 would transfer over to .world. I highly doubt this will happen after folks got used to blahaj.zone for over a year. Many queer users won’t like the new 196, and as new users join, blahaj.zone users will leave. Given the reactions here, I doubt they can do much now to stop that from happening.
This is a good theory, the perp who had a bitch fit over neopronouns posted to world196 shortly after world196 was relaunched, hmmmmmmmmmp
Also I’d love a blahaj 196 resurgence but I’m too much gremlin to help mod srry :(
My guess is that the 196 mods decided to do this because they have lemmy.world friends who got banned from blahaj.zone. There has been a growing disconnect between some frequent posters of 196, and the rest of the community. They post good stuff and might even contribute a majority of the content on some days, but they also have edgier sensibilities and higher tolerances for bullshit. This situation doesn’t seem ideological to the mods because their motivation is personal. However, personal relationships play a larger role in our beliefs than most people think.
Interesting theory
i left .world because of their shitty admins and the problems they cause smaller instances. the moderation leaves much to be desired, they have shitty takes, they do whatever they feel like and i dont trust them any more than i trust a site like reddit.
as for 196, i liked the memes, i didnt really interact with the space much as it already felt less “blahaj zone” than the rest of the comms i interact with, so with them moving to .world, i doubt it will get better, and i doubt i will ever want to interact with that comm anymore. it was kinda shitty to not include the community whatsoever, but that kind of behavior is the exact kind i expect from .world mods so i guess they will fit right in.
very much agreed. 196 felt like the odd one out on the plaza of popular communities in general, being on comfy cozy blahaj zone.
whatcha think of special version of 196 for blahaj frens? i saw some peeps here suggesting it and i rllli like the idea!
imagine: u look at post and it makes sense and u go “ah yes, this was made be a genuine human, not a possibly selfish, queerphobic capitalist” and then u add emoticons like [“<3”, “>v<”, “~ ~ ~”] to ur comment to make it extra special.
i like that idea…
i wont participate in the .world 196, and i feel like i will miss the memes over there, so having something like that here would be cool, but i think we should try to make it somewhat distinct, call it 197 or something idk, i would be willing to help mod if we had a decent team, providing a space for my cool nerdy and cute trans fedi friends is something im all about, and wish i could do more of.
Something about 196 being on a non-queer instance feels wrong. I can’t explain it. Maybe it’s because there are a lot of queer-positive posts on 196? Not sure. Meh, whatever. I think I have a vague idea of why they’re moving away and quite honestly, if they want to bend to people wanting to stir shit, then maybe we’re better off without them.
(Iirc the gist of it is that there was a troll who claimed to be “dragon gender” or something (which included that drag’s pronouns were “drag”). Drag said a lot of nasty shit, stirred up drama, etc. People decided that was a good excuse to misgender drag and become the arbiters of what a “proper gender” is. People misgendering drag got banned, then got pissy and cried about it. In the meantime, drag was also banned at that point, it was mainly people stirring shit at that point. I’m pretty sure 196 is moving away from blähaj.zone because afaik Ada takes a zero tolerance stance on intentionally misgendering people; regardless of whether or not someone’s a troll.)
Quite honestly I’m kinda at the point where I’m considering quitting Lemmy entirely. Between the drama, doomposting, trolls and increase in general dickishness, it’s honestly getting really bad for my mental health.
Regarding 196: has it been different on Lemmy vs how it was on reddit? I’m on beehaw so I don’t see .world posts or communities, but at least on reddit I saw a bunch of edgy shit being posted when I still used the site a few years back
Regarding Dragon rider: drag uses drag/drag pronouns iirc and has expressed previously that they/them pronouns aren’t suitable for drag, so you may want to edit your wording just a tad. Still haven’t been able to figure out if drag is a troll or not, but as you say even if drag is a troll drag still has a right to identity. If Ada’s brilliant stance is why 196 moved, good riddance IMHO
Regarding your mental health: perhaps its worth blocking the communities or users that are bringing the majority of the drama/doomposting/etc? I absolutely empathise with the drain on mental health that can be, and I’ve been very very liberal with the block feature for exactly that reason. Its totally worthwhile to curate the space you inhabit online. I hope, whatever path forward you take, that you’re able to find yourself feeling better and better.
Tbh theres been some real nasty/sketchy crap from Drag (multiple account harassment), id lean towards troll myself.
Yeah thats fair. I only see what drag posts on instances I’m federated with/don’t have blocked, which I guess may be a small slice of the total
Regarding 196:
Dunno, didn’t really use it on reddit tbh. That’s why I associate it strongly with blahaj.zone.
Regarding Dragon rider:
Sigh You’re right, I fixed it. In my defense, I was actually trying to avoid directly referencing drag and drag’s pronouns not because I think drag is invalid but because I didn’t want to distract from the fact that people were intentionally misgendering drag because they believed drag’s gender/pronouns were invalid and that drag’s dickish behavior excused them from having to use drag’s pronouns. I was concerned that using drag’s neopronouns would cause people to have a knee-jerk reaction, which was why I was referring to drag as “the troll”.
Regarding your mental health:
Honestly, that’d kinda kill half the reason I use Lemmy: as a news aggregate. Furthermore, people here have too much time on their hands and find drama wherever they can. I used to think blåhaj.zone would be fairly free from drama in a generally leftist space; after all leftists should understand that queer instances and communities are generally best left to queer people, right? Yet that hasn’t stopped people from trying to start drama regarding the main queer instance.
Mm, totally see what you were going for with the pronouns. I think as soon as you mentioned “dragon” the ship had likely sailed for most of “suspension of knowledge of the individual in question”
I understand the dilemma regarding reducing the amount/variety of content you are served :/ to be honest, this is one of the main reasons I enjoy Beehaw so much, I used to be on a different instance and moved here because they federate with mostly high quality instances and the local content is of very high standard. The mods are also very good with cleaning up harmful or unsuitable content/posts/comments/users whilst not (to my mind) silencing differing opinions (when the opinions in question are not the aforementioned harmful content). I get my news feed, with much less… Mental drain
hey there, just weighing in. Neopronouns were not a factor in our decision. In addition, malicious misgendering has always been something that constitutes a removal or ban. this choice was in no way and attempt to reduce the queerness of 196
Would you perhaps like to expand on that? Right now it appears hot on the tail of the dragon drama, which, considering from what I saw the majority of it revolved around people trying to misgender drag or ridicule drag’s identity, leads me to the conclusion that you didn’t like how Ada handled it and implies you yourselves believe that it’s alright to misgender someone if you believe their gender is just another troll.
Respectfully, get bent
big sad feels ;(
i will not join the 196 on the not blahaj zone! GRRRR >:3
i wan the 196 to be all local and comfy. i wan it to feel like home, with all u cuties and non-cuties-but-still-amazing-peeps in it!
i don wan the 196 to be on generic world instance. will join if there be a local 196 blahaj version!
imagine the COMFY FEELS knowing that U PEEPS made the funi im looking at!! <3
It makes me so sad, and the bottom image is an accurate representation of how I feel about it. It sucks that they made this decision without involving the community at all, and even though they say they’re on good terms with Ada, some of the comment chains in the announcement post make me think that there’s some bitterness on the mods’ part. Ada has always been so nice and patient, even when 196 clogged up Blahaj’s entire frontpage, or when it didn’t have enough mods to handle a growing community. And if the mods don’t like how an instance is run, what gives them the right to just take the entire community and move it somewhere else?
I came to Lemmy when Reddit committed to their API nonsense, and it always had this promise of being better than Reddit. Decentralisation was a big part of that promise. Moving 196 to the largest (I think?) Lemmy instance is the opposite of that. Blahaj feels small, local, cosy, and welcoming, like small concerts in some guy’s basement. 196 always had the same vibes, and the move to .world will probably change that. That scares me because I really liked these vibes.
idk, I’m just rambling and none of it makes a whole lot of sense. I think I’ll take a break for a few days, wait for whatever is gonna happen next, check out the new 196 on .world in a while, and maybe the old 196 is gonna come back somehow.
I blocked the .world 196 community, safe to say I’m not a fan 🤷♀️
This is where I hear about the move? 😂 guess I’ll miss the memes, they were a good grab bag
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well, Ada just kicking them out for wanting to leave would also be a very bad move XP
tho I guess we should ask Ada if we can assign new mods to the 196 blahaj community since basically they’ve abandoned it and there’s no reason to keep it locked, but making a new one would be fine too
I imagine ada would not try and force the mods of 196 to stay or anything, if the mods of 196 think blahaj.zone isn’t a good fit for them then they have every right to leave our community, however I think it’s clear the community does not agree with the mods and think 196 is a net positive for blahaj.zone, so reclaiming 196 is a potential option, but in the interest of being amicable and not cause tensions with those who wish to leave peacefully, maybe making a new community on blahaj.zone would be better? possibly a 197?
yeh I said the same on another comment in this post X3 would u also be a mod if that was done? cuz thatd make 4 of us so far from what Ive seen :3 would be nice to have 8 like the old mod team I guess
I am also up for moderating!
someone else made a new community! I pinged u there :3
I am interested, dm me or hit me up on matrix there’s info in my about me
seems like someone was a few minutes faster to make the community lol X3 I pinged u on the new 196 :3
It’s kinda don’t let the door hit you on the way out kind of vibes if I were in Ada’s shoes.
I don’t see why they can’t just start a new knock off 196 on world and leave the original alone and let someone else mod it.
cuz then no one would use it, and they didnt tell anyone cuz “if I asked u would have said no” so they just did it and hoped people would just be pissy for a day and then be fine with it :P
I’m this close to blocking world at the instance level and I know many others on lemmy are as well. They’re fucking stupid and selfish self important mods. Peak Reddit behavior.
yeh same, and the stupidest comments I see on lemmy r like 90% of the time from .world XP
I don’t get .world posts in my feed and will miss 196, but my internet quality of life has improved overall.
Wow. This is sad. I didn’t even know 196 was going to migrate before this. I’d probably see it on All once in a while but I don’t think I’d join the community.
I unfollowed every .world community I was previously following, then blocked .world entirely during the pre-backtrack period of their “we wanna do what Facebook is doing” announcement. I did unblock it later, but I’m not following anything on that instance, including 196. I don’t believe what Moss and all them said about their talk with the lemmy world admins, I think eventually when they try again with the moderation change, they’ll enforce it on 196 anyway, despite promising to let them moderate with their own rules. I also don’t like that instance having the most content, which is just going to balloon up even more with 196’s memes, since it starts going against the whole point of the fediverse, the decentralization aspect. If people start saying “well Lemmy world has the ‘best admins’ and the most communities so why make this community on another instance?”, that’s gonna have an effect, you know?
I just feel disheartened.
Also yes, I was a rule breaker, basically never posted there despite seeing it every day, but like half the memes I just downloaded and sent to my friends’ dms. So 196 did account for a big chunk of my Lemmy activity.
Will you continue to use 196 on lemmy.world?
Probably not, and if I do it will be mostly lurking.
I don’t see why folks can’t make their own 196 on each instance. (Maybe there is some reason for not specifically using “196” as the name, but a “196 themed” community.) Even back in Reddit you’d have subreddits that were things like “blah2” or “blah_casual” made by folks unsatisfied with the mods of the previous community. People can use either one or both if they’d like.
The original subreddit was 195 or 194, so you aren’t wrong. I hope it happens, but people need to step up if they want that. I would be willing to help, but I couldn’t do it alone.
You know whats interesting with all this is while Ada is getting brought up a lot in contrast to the 196 mods, I actually think there’s a mod on fedi that gives an example of how to handle this kind of thing better. Db0 is not perfect per se because no one is, but I can’t think of a more transparent mod off the top of my head (though Beehaws has defederated a few larger instances where they may be). When he(?) wants to do something he just asks his users how they feel. He writes a lot of blogs about whats happening in his community and since he has a hand developing some of Lemmy’s tech hes sure to let you know if a user-affecting change is coming. He’s not perfect but he’s got what I would dub integrity. This might be putting it on thick but I myself have modded a very small (low dozens) community and I’ve felt the burn of a lack of communication that moss is feeling now and its avoidable. Db0 does get into trouble with his users, but clearly he’s actually in it for them.
Db0 and I got into a personal disagreement that was vaguely related to the instance I’m on (theirs) and with other mods/admins it probably would of led to me immediately being kicked out rather than just an agree to disagree resolution.
I’m happy on that instance so far. Much better than world.
Aw! These kind of comments make it all worth it!
In case you’re curious, the way I usually go about things, is that I want my actions to signal that I want my users to not only feel protected by me (and the other instance admins) but also protected from me. It’s why I always default to the strongest copyleft licenses for my work, and why I keep asking peeps what they think about potential decisions.
I feel a lot of the time people get in the mindset that taking top-down decisions “for the good of the community” cuts away a lot of the red tape and keeps things moving quickly. This is especially true in auth-left instances. And while that can be quite true when one is making decisions that happen to agree with their communities, eventually, everyone makes one that doesn’t. The problem when you’re used to taking decisions top down because “you know better”, you start seeing any dissent as haters or reactionaries (depending on your perspective), and by the time one realizes that,no, actually this is a popular sentiment, you have a shitstorm on your hands.
I noticed they were somewhat unwilling to/incapable of removing comments that were mildly transphobic a while ago so while I’m disappointed that they are gutting 196 instead of new mods being introduced I’m not surprised.
