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ooli2 ( ooli2@lemm.ee )  to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 years ago

El Salvador Abandons Bitcoin as Legal Tender After Failed Experiment

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El Salvador Abandons Bitcoin as Legal Tender After Failed Experiment

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  • Allero ( Allero@lemmy.today ) 
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    Let’s not get astray here.

    The reason El Salvador stopped using Bitcoin as a legal tender is not because it’s some sort of failed experiment (it had issues, but still), but due to continuous pressure of IMF interested in maintaining a US dollar-centric economy.

    El Salvador is reliant on US dollars in its economy, which puts it under heavy US influence. Knowing Salvadoran currency wouldn’t be strong, Nayib Bukele suggested an alternative option - risky, volatile, but free from pressure of other countries and strongly appreciating in the long run. IMF didn’t like it, and that’s where we are.

    So, when you cheer Bitcoin not being legal tender anymore, you also cheer US and IMF projecting power over the country.

    • unexposedhazard ( unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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      Its even funnier. They just straight up promised them a billion dollar loan on the condition that they abandon bitcoin.

      In December, the government struck a $1.4 billion loan deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that scaled back its bitcoin embrace after the lender urged officials to limit its exposure. The lender specifically advocated making acceptance of bitcoin voluntary for the private sector, which is spelled out in the hastily-approved law.

      https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/lawmakers-el-salvador-rush-new-bitcoin-reform-after-imf-deal-2025-01-30/

      • geneva_convenience ( geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Hot damn why is this not the headline we are seeing

        • unexposedhazard ( unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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          Thats what im wondering, because thats the blog post headline i first saw.

      • jagged_circle ( jagged_circle@feddit.nl ) 
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        Site doesn’t load

        • unexposedhazard ( unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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          The link is still working and reuters is a huge organization so its probably an issue on your side.

          • jagged_circle ( jagged_circle@feddit.nl ) 
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            Nope. Their site is always broken. It doesn’t work on tor browser in strict mode. Try it.

            We shouldn’t be linking to such websites

            • unexposedhazard ( unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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              That is hardly a valid reference point for a news source. The site even works without JS which is better than most sites.

              • jagged_circle ( jagged_circle@feddit.nl ) 
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                Nope. It doesn’t work with js disabled. That’s the problem

                • unexposedhazard ( unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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                  It does in librewolf, which means that Tor is just doing some extra blocking of stuff that is need for the page to load.

    • jagged_circle ( jagged_circle@feddit.nl ) 
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      Yeah the headline is insane. This would have been a wildly successful experiment, and now is a great time to cash out.

      I guess they made a deal to sell their coins to the US.

      Edit: misinformation, sorry. They’re not selling. they’re still buying. The IMF is just forcing them to strike the word legal tender

  • panchobarnes ( panchobarnes@lemm.ee ) 
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    The IMF wouldn’t give them a credit unless they stopped forcing people to accept Bitcoin as payment, which almost no one was using anyway.

    officials ensure that the government will continue betting on this cryptocurrency, whose price currently exceeds $100,000.

  • jagged_circle ( jagged_circle@feddit.nl ) 
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    Looking forward to them establishing monero as a legal tender

  • MyOpinion ( MyOpinion@lemm.ee ) 
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    Crypto is a massive scam. It has no value. It is just used to obscure fraud.

    • nixFREAK ( nixfreak@sopuli.xyz ) 
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      I mean neither does FIAT currency, U.S. currency is based on taxes , there is nothing that backs it. Majority of GDP is just finance. We need more education on what and how a currency actually works.

      • mortemtyrannis ( mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Nothing backs US currency?

        I’d argue the US military backs the US dollar.

        • technocrit ( technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          Violence based currencies are not sustainable in the long term. That’s why the petrol-dollar has been steadily decreasing in global reserves. It’s why the IMF has to outlaw bitcoin instead of competing with it.

      • I_am_10_squirrels ( I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org ) 
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        The value of a unit of currency is based on someone else’s willingness to accept it. If you’re willing to accept two clam shells in exchange for one widget, then our clam shell currency has value between us.

        Almost anyone in the world is (currently) willing to accept a US dollar. There will be some exchange rate and transaction fee, so maybe I demand three dollars instead of two. I know that I can convert those three US dollars into my local currency that others are willing to accept.

        The whole premise of bitcoin is that the line will continue going up and someone will always be willing to pay more for it than what you paid. If you agree to sell your car for one bitcoin, and tomorrow it crashes, you just lost the entire value of your car. The chances of a sovereign currency crashing is never 0, but it’s much more stable than bitcoin.

        • technocrit ( technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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          Almost anyone in the world is (currently) willing to accept a US dollar. There will be some exchange rate and transaction fee, so maybe I demand three dollars instead of two.

          This is exactly the same with crypto. You might argue there are technological barriers to using bitcoin but many of those barriers apply to petrol-dollars as well.

          The whole premise of bitcoin is that the line will continue going up

          The whole premise of fiat currency is that the line will go down so rich people constantly need a ROI and poor people are constantly pushed deeper into poverty. This is not a superior system.

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  • Cowbee [he/they] ( Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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    I had a Libertarian try to tell me that this was going to revitalize El Salvador just a couple of weeks ago, lmao.

    • Dessalines ( dessalines@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Not the greatest idea to transition to a currency where every single transaction requires the same amount of energy to power a mansion for a week.

      • Cowbee [he/they] ( Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Didn’t know it was that bad. Knew it was bad, but that’s depressingly bad.

    • FolknForage ( FolknForage@lemm.ee ) 
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      It’s absolutely bonkers to me that Libertarians think BTC is a better option that fiat bills.

      This shit has the have been astroturfed or otherwise psyop’d.

    • Mangoholic ( Mangoholic@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Well their reserves doubled in value

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    I generally keep out of crypto discussions as I do not sufficiently understand it. But this event is very easy to understand. In the beginning of the article itself:

    … approved last Wednesday a confusing reform to the Bitcoin Law at the request of Bukele’s government, which had no other option to receive the $1.4 billion credit agreed in December with the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

    Thus, this move was forced on El Salvador by the IMF.

    • FolknForage ( FolknForage@lemm.ee ) 
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      “Forced” is doing a lot of work here. I think it was El Salvador that decided it was worth to ditch btc in favor of getting actual rescue money.

      Edit: it makes sense that Bukele just told Rubio they’d be happy to be the US’ offshore prison system. Seems they really need the money.

  • IninewCrow ( ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ) 
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    The problem with any new kind of currency no matter what it is will always be controlled and manipulated by the wealthiest individuals who will flood their wealth into that new system.

    • jagged_circle ( jagged_circle@feddit.nl ) 
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      Strike the word new.

  • Juice ( Juice@midwest.social ) 
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    Who could have predicted this

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    The government, she assured, will continue buying bitcoin and having reserves in this cryptocurrency. According to the National Bitcoin Office, El Salvador has 6,050 bitcoins worth $634.8 million. “President Bukele continues buying bitcoin, we have a Bitcoin Office, we have the Bitcoin Law, bitcoin can be used in El Salvador.

    They’re going to have the US by the balls like Saudi Arabia when bitcoin crosses $1mm/coin

  • spooky2092 ( spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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    BUT I WAS TOLD THERE’S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BUTTCOIN AND REAL MONEY, WHAT THE HELL?!?11?!

    Who could have ever seen this coming other than anyone who thought about it for the briefest amount of time?

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