• 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮 ( Emmie@lemm.ee ) 
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        The biggest joke are people who care only about genitalia. As long as it is slick and there is some liquid it doesn’t matter all that much what the other party has

        Imagine being some kind of radical feminist lesbian sperging for hours about how men treat us as body parts and then see only vaginas and dicks. The irony

        Are you having sex with a cut of meat or a person.

        Hence why bisexuality and pansexuality will always reign supreme over all the squabbles. Might have to make a tier list

        • Boomkop3 ( Boomkop3@reddthat.com ) 
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          If it’s not for you, then it’s not for you. But one thing I cannot recommend: don’t take those who’s preferences you dislike and assume they reduce people to a piece of meat.

          There’s plenty of fish in the sea. You can find some that do like penis, or don’t care, or both.

        • Liking one genitalia and not the other is not “traeating people as body parts”. Is it objectivization if a straight cis male likes women, but is not attracted to a transgender woman with male genitalia? I don’t think so…

          • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮 ( Emmie@lemm.ee ) 
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            If they are attracted to women with male genitalia exclusively they are called chasers so why would the other way around be any different? Genitalia fetishism is always a bit disgustingly reductive

            You will only avoid all this unnecessary garbage if you do not try to categorise these things in artificial labels and just have sex with who you want. If two people want to fuck then they do it and there is no need to call it a mouthful

            Otherwise you get monstrosities like ‚I am only attracted to white boys below 5’10 during blue moon. I call it xyzuality’ just shut up already and keep sucking

            “Oh I like you I am also abcdsexual with vagina preference hihi” like shut the f up and get on your knees

            • If someone is attracted only to woman with male genitalia is not feticism, nor a “chaser”, it’s a sexual preference and, just like any sexual preference, if it’s carried out in a respectful and non-creepy way, it’s perfectly reasonable and must be respected.

              I agree with the proliferiation of labels not being super useful and possibly damaging, while sexuality is very complex. What I don’t agree with is your critique of “liking only genitalia” = “objectivizing”

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          The last line has so many words I do not know.

          However, since you distinguish sexual interests from romantic ones in some cases, I wonder where for example “panromantic” or “biromantic” would be on your tier list. Similarly homosexuality is not distniguished from homoromanticism etc…

          Nevermind though, in case it wasn’t your intention to create a more or less “complete” picture.

      • riwo ( riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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        oki, i just wrote a response but then realised i misunderstood you. sorry about that

        you are right for the situation i described in my comment. you can combine being a lesbian with a lot of other things, to make it a viable contraception.

        i would argue tho, that not liking dick is the entire reason one wouldnt get pregnant in your situation. the lesbian part doesnt matter. meanwhile both a transphobe and a lesbian can get pregnant on their own but a transphobic lesbian can not.

    • Auli ( Auli@lemmy.ca ) 
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      I mean yes it is? Isn’t it pansexual when your into everyone. Not having sex with trans is not a phobia just like not having sex with men or women depending on your preference is not a phobia.

      • Trans people being for pansexuals is a common trope in queer pandering media. They specifically pair trans people with pansexuals, so they can be inclusive, but in the specific way that doesn’t ask their mostly cis and straight audience to question their own sexuality, because that might make them uncomfortable.

        Its not a reflection of reality. Hot women are hot, hot men are hot, regardless of how they got there.

        Edit: I disagree with the ban. It isn’t transphobic to be misinformed. They even phrased it as a question, and didn’t argue their position any further. They sounded genuinely confused about the terms, and every other reply seemed to have drawn the same conclusion.

      • You can be lesbian and not like penis, but being lesbian does not imply that. A lesbian cis woman might be with a trans woman and then that’s not a very effective birth control anymore, but she’s still lesbian.

      • riwo ( riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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        ofc its not a phobia to have preferences. my critique is towards excluding people from certain labels of gender based attraction, for things other than their gender. especially if those people are systemically opressed for their gender.

        crazy example now, but sometimes that helps seeing things in a new light:

        if i say that im not into old people because i am a lesbian, then thats kinda messed up, because it implies that old women are not women.

        does that help?

        and ofc, because we live in a cis-normative society, many people dont often think about how women can also have dicks. forgetting about that isnt necessairily transphobic but might also just be a cis-normative oopsy.

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        I’m a lesbian, I’m not changing my label to pan because I’ve dated trans women. Most people who feel attraction feel it before even learning what genitals the other person was born with.

      • riwo ( riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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        oki, i just wrote a response but then realised i misunderstood you. sorry about that

        you are right, that also works

        my intention was to direct attention to how the image implies cis-normativity/transphobia. altho i do see how the image did that by simplifying reality for comical effect and while i dont think i played into similarly opressive structures, i did simply reality myself in my comment.

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      First off, she could be a T4T lesbian or a cis woman in a closed monogamous relationship with another cis woman.

      Second, many trans women have had orchiectomy or SRS. She could be in a relationship with one of us.

      She could sleep with trans women and neither of them like penetration.

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        Sure, but a cis man could also be dating a trans woman in any of these scenarios, and no one would say “heterosexuality” was what was preventing him from becoming a dad.

        When people joke about lesbianism = no pregnancy, it’s because they’re assuming all lesbian relationships are between the same kinds of bodies having the same kind of sex.

      • riwo ( riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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        thats not what i meant. the message was supposed to be “dont equate being a lesbian with disliking dick”. i apologise if i failed at bringing that across. maybe next time i should be more blunt from the start