One of the mistakes they made with AI was introducing it before it was ready (I’m making a generous assumption by suggesting that “ready” is even possible). It will be extremely difficult for any AI product to shake the reputation that AI is half-baked and makes absurd, nonsensical mistakes.
This is a great example of capitalism working against itself. Investors want a return on their investment now, and advertisers/salespeople made unrealistic claims. AI simply isn’t ready for prime time. Now they’ll be fighting a bad reputation for years. Because of the situation tech companies created for themselves, getting users to trust AI will be an uphill battle.
Apple Intelligence and the first versions of Gemini are the perfect examples of this.
iOS still doesn’t do what was sold in the ads, almost a full year later.
Edit: also things like email summary don’t work, the email categories are awful, notification summaries are straight up unhinged, and I don’t think anyone asked for image playground.
Insert ‘Full Self Driving’ Here.
Also, outlook’s auto alt text function told me that a conveyor belt was a picture of someone’s screen today.
Calling it “Full Self Driving” is such blatant false advertising.
Apple Intelligence and the first versions of Gemini are the perfect examples of this.
Add Amazon’s Alexa+ to that list. It’s nearly a year overdue and still nowhere in sight.
capitalism working against itself
More like: capitalism reaching its own logical conclusion
I’m making a generous assumption by suggesting that “ready” is even possible
To be honest it feels more and more like this is simply not possible, especially regarding the chatbots. Under those are LLMs, which are built by training neural networks, and for the pudding to stick there absolutely needs to have this emergent magic going on where sense spontaneously generates. Because any entity lining up words into sentences will charm unsuspecting folks horribly efficiently, it’s easy to be fooled into believing it’s happened. But whenever in a moment of despair I try and get Copilot to do any sort of task, it becomes abundantly clear it’s unable to reliably respect any form of requirement or directive. It just regurgitates some word soup loosely connected to whatever I’m rambling about. LLMs have been shoehorned into an ill-fitted use case. Its sole proven usefulness so far is fraud.
There was research showing that every linear jump in capabilities needed exponentially more data fed into the models, so seems likely it isn’t going to be possible to get where they want to go.
OpenAI admitted that with o1! they included graphs directly showing gains taking exponential effort
do you have any articles on this? i have heard this claim quite a few times, but im wondering how they put numbers on the capabilities of those models.
Sorry nope didnt keep a link.
The battle is easy. Buy out and collude with the competition so the customer has no choice but to purchase a AI device.
This would only work for a service that customers want or need
Ah, like with the TPM blackbox?
AI is going to be this eras Betamax, HD-Dvd, or 3d TV glasses. It doesn’t do what was promised and nobody gives a shit.
I was just about to mention porn and how each new format of the past came down to that very same factor.
If AI computers were incredible at making AI porn I bet you they’d be selling a lot better hahaNo, I’m sorry. It is very useful and isn’t going away. This threads is either full of Luddites or disingenuous people.
nobody asked you to post in this thread. you came and posted this shit in here because the thread is very popular, because lots and lots of people correctly fucking hate generative AI
so I guess please enjoy being the only “non-disingenuous” bootlicker you know outside of work, where everyone’s required (under implicit threat to their livelihood) to love this shitty fucking technology
but most of all: don’t fucking come back, none of us Luddites need your mid ass
@blarth @TheThrillOfTime huh. You totally name at least one use case then, huh
You only didn’t because it’s so blindingly obvious(It’s BS)
Also, learn about Luddites, manI have friends who are computer engineers and they say that it does a pretty good job of generating code, but that’s not a general population use case. For most people, AI is a nearly useless product. It makes Google searches worse. It makes your phone voice assistant worse. It’s not as good as human artists. And it’s mostly used to create dumbass posts on Reddit to farm engagement. In my life, AI has not made anything better.
Oh we care alright. We care about keeping it OUT of our FUCKING LIVES.
Reducing computer performance:
Turbo button 🤝 AI button
now that you mention it, kinda surprised I haven’t ever seen a spate of custom 3D-printed turbo buttons from overclocker circles
it could turn on the RGB! though that would imply that the RGB could be turned off in the first place, which is optimistic on my part
it’s the button for more RGB
saw a microphone with RGB and i’m like wtf is this thing supposed to do, flash disco lights when you’re on stream shouting slurs at your esteemed fellow gamers
shouting slurs at your esteemed fellow gamers
They’re called “heated gaming moments” /j
reheated gaming moments
Fresh(?) off the PUBG Bridge
nah, just call a fuckwit a fuckwit. even jokingly giving them breathing room is something they know how to abuse.
Same issue from when we had turbo buttons: why have a button for something you don’t turn off?
your comment demonstrates a remarkable lack of imagination
Better option: An array of flip switches for throttling to different speeds.
Best option: Mount these flip switches above you on an overhead control panel.
And a clear lack of understanding of what the turbo button actually did
I thought it makes the game tick faster or slower, such that you have to have it set correctly or it’s unplayable.
Some early PC software, mostly games, were written expecting the computer ran at a fixed speed which was the speed of the original IBM PC which used an Intel 8088 that ran at 4.77 MHz. If the IBM PC was more like computers such as the Commodore 64 which changed little during its production run, that would have been fine. But eventually faster PC’s were released that ran on 286, 386, 486, etc. CPUs that were considerably faster and hence software that expected the original IBM PC hardware ran way too fast.
The turbo button was a bit of a misnomer since you would normally have it on and leave it on, only turning it off as sort of a compatibility mode to run older software. How effective it was varied quite a bit - some computers turning it off would get you pretty close to the original IBM PC in terms of speed, but others would just slow the computer down, but not nearly enough, making it mostly useless for what it was intended for.
Kind of, though it’s about the CPU’s clock speed rather than the details of the game.
So, pedantically? no.
Experientially? yes.
I had one on my PC in the late 90s, early 2000s.
That’s not fair! I care! A lot!
Just had to buy a new laptop for new place of employment. It took real time, effort, and care, but I’ve finally found a recent laptop matching my hardware requirements and sense of aesthetics at a reasonable price, without that hideous copilot button :)
quite annoyed that the Snapdragon laptops are bootlocked cos they’d make great Linux boxes
Which laptop did you buy if you don’t mind sharing?
Decided on this:
Still had some issues under Linux / NixOS a couple of weeks ago (hardware-wise everything worked; but specific programs, esp. Librewolf, will randomly start eating CPU and battery out of nowhere, with what looks like noops. Haven’t investigated further, yet.
sweet, glad to know it generally works with linux. this is available in my part of the world. been shopping around for a personal for-work laptop since my company is stingy. And I plan to move on anyways.
It generally works, yes, but I’d hold off for another month or two in the hopes of the issues being resolved in the kernel
I really wanted to like that laptop but the screen is so incredibly glossy that unless you’re in a totally dark room it becomes a mirror.
I think it’s a matter of preference. Haven’t noticed the screen being a mirror yet, but then again I feel like any even mildly matte screen looks like it’s being viewed through a veil…
I am a bit worried/curious about how the oled will deal with my very static waybars though, lol
wtf is going on with that touchpad - is it a tap calculator input?
Numpad/pin input. Utterly useless in my opinion. Also apparently activates itself pretty regularly by accident from palms resting when typing. YouTube comments are full of people desperate for a windows/driver update which lets you deactivate this thing.
Oh, btw, I did not go through the trouble of enabling support under Linux (you can, but it’s optional, because, well… Linux)
It’s not care. Its want. We don’t want AI.
Google, Apple, Microsoft, Nvidia and everyone else is hyping up AI. Consumers are not really seeing much benefit by making everything AI-ified. Executives are raving over it but maybe aren’t realize that people outside of the C-suite aren’t that excited? Having it shoved in our faces constantly, or crammed in places companies hope they can save money is not helping either.
My problem is that it’s not that fucking useful. I got the Pixel 9 specifically because of its advertised AI chip for the assistant and I swear it’s just gotten worse since the Pixel 7. I used to be able to ask Google anything through the assistant, and now 90% of my questions are answered with “can’t find the information.”
They also advertised (or at least heavily alluded to) the use of the AI chip when you are in low network areas but it works just as good outside of 4g+ coverage as it ever did without the stupid chip.
Whats the point of adding AI branded nonsense if there’s no practical use for it. And that doesn’t even start to cover the issues with AI’s reliability as a source of information. Garbage in = garbage out.
i dint get a pixel for that reason after PIxel 5a died, the exonys chip is significantly weaker than other flagship phones, and they sacrificed thier battery power/efficiency capacity since 5A(which was a very defective phone) just to prop up AI.
We know google was saving money on not using QUALCOMM/snapdragon chips, which most others are using. AI is just thier excuse so they can put less effort into making quality product.
When Gemini can find the information, they added flowery “social” bullshit before, in the middle and after the information I asked for wasting my time
I was looking at new phones and basically every one was advertising their AI assistant. Are any of them better than the digital assistants from 2016?
I need to unlock my phone for the Gemini bs to skip or pause music.
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Bad news for people who use google: they’ve removed the same feature, so their assistant is more useless than Cortana a decade ago (only a mild exaggeration)
Seriously missed an opportunity to being that back as their agent.
Legitimately though, Cortana was pretty great. There was a feature to help plan commutes (before I went more or less full remote), all it really did was watch traffic and adjust a suggest time to depart but it was pretty nice.
Say it every time someone mentions WP7/8/10, those lumia devices were fantastic and I totally miss mine, the 1020 had a fantastic camera on it, especially for the early 2010s
As technology advanced, humans grew accustomed to relying on the machines.
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[Insert joke pretending to be an “AI assistant,” but I’m actually a human here]
the fuck? please go be weird somewhere else
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Comment removed for being weird (derogatory). I refrained just barely from hitting the “ban from community” button on the slim chance it was a badly misfired joke from a person who can otherwise behave themself, but I won’t object if any other mod goes ahead with the banhammer.
I was vacillating on reply harshness, but “hey tell me when you’re home” … some people just need to get better with informed consent.
(agree that this probably wasn’t banworthy (yet), but close)
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it was some shitty follow-up to your joke so unfunny it made your post less funny just by being under it. pull this thread from mastodon and chances are you’ll see it if you really want to
anyway if you want a laugh, they threw a tantrum and reported your post because we deleted theirs:
their joke was in that exact tone too because they’re a comedy black hole
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If you press the three dots, then “comment moderation history” you can see what it said.
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wow, your posts really aren’t good
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it’s really weird that this turned into a tantrum where you tried to report other users for their jokes???
Can the NPU be used for practical purposes other than generative AI? If not, I don’t need it.
It depends on how broad you are with the definition. There are a lot of uses for an NPU that aren’t hosting your own chatgpt analog.
list them, as far as I can tell NPUs are shitty cut-down GPUs with a few functions much slower
You are right that they are effectively limited use GPUs, but that doesn’t make them useless. That’s really the point, I’d agree it is a weird fit for laptops though.
My personal interest is object detection / facial recognition which is a function a lot of AIs have, but you may or may not classify it as ‘Generative AI’ on it’s own.
you may or may not classify it as ‘Generative AI’ on it’s own.
while the ship has sailed on calling the opencv shit you’re doing AI (thx, grifters of the first AI bubble), which part of object detection and facial recognition is generative?
Do they care? No! Will they push more AI? Yes! Will they listen to the consumers? I don’t think so.
Same thing happens with lot of products over the years. Companies push new stuff that we don’t want, and a year later becomes a regular thing! They push AI day by day, from websites AI chat help to in app AI assistant. Do consumers like it? No, but still you gonna find it everywhere! and now they push it in computers and looks what it happens! No sales!Call me crazy, but at some point, they need to look at their data or their consumers and do the right thing.
It’s maddening that they did actually take away the headphone jack from all modern phones and there’s nothing we can do about it even though it objectively sucks
most, Sony still has them
Does anyone sell a case with a built-in USB DAC and 3.5mm jack?
there’s nothing we can do about it
Outright rejection of their shit, I won’t buy new smartphones from them. Currently using a dumbphone although the case is breaking and they don’t make this one any more. Nokia could work but costs quite a bit tbh. Getting rid of the phone entirely is tempting.
If I ever buy a smartphone again it will be the cheapest second hand thing I can find. Maybe don’t even take it out the house, it can stay at home like a landline and will be restricted to at most LAN connections only.
You can still buy phones with a headphone jack. It’s just that most people buy the one without because most people have a wireless headset they use with the phone.
It’s SUPER simple: if something new comes along and sells, it will become the standard. If it doesn’t sell, it won’t.
Removing the headphone jack allowed manufacturers to make phones thinner/lighter/cheaper/whatever and people didn’t vote against it, therefore it stays.
maddening how many details i have to filter phones for these days, (no oled (very bad experience with fragility of pixel4), ideally no cancer unremovable bloatware or LineageOS support (which needs Snapdragon cpu), fucking headphone jack…)
It’s because they’re looking at data and a lot of you forget that. They don’t care if realistically everyone hates it if the data says everyone would use and benefit from it. Why is this so much more important? If you looked at the marketing behind AI they faked this entire industry by showing companies the “right” data to have them back them up but it’s just manipulation from the industry to make something profitable like NFTs.
The average technical person realises ai is shit.
The average non-technical person doesn’t need an ai computer, because chatgpt is free.not exactly true on the 2nd one, just because cpgt exist is not the reason an average person believes they dont need AI. they know AI is shit from the get-go, doesnt take a programming genius to realizing, when you know that only the corporations are the only ones obsessed with it, and it hadnt produced any valuble product.
and then had to deal with many AI system, like chat boxes, or google searches, especially on reddit.
Gen AI should be private, secure, local and easier to train by it’s users to fit their own needs. Closest thing to this at the moment seems to be Kobold.
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Does Ollama accept custom parameters now?
I wasn’t talking about their effectiveness though. Yeah, they’re sloppy as hell, but I’d rather trust a sloppy tool I set up at home and use myself than having someone I don’t trust at home using their sloppy tools, tinkering with my property without permission when I’m not looking and changing their terms and prices each day.
But granted your point is a really good one. These AI ready laptops don’t give the bang for your buck you’d expect. We’re all better off taking good care of our older harware and waiting longer for components that are a true improvement to replace them.
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I’m not sure what Kobold is? However there’s loads of different models that you can run locally - hugging face has a good selection: https://huggingface.co/models
I agree that you really want to run AI for personal use yourself - which does require certain minimum hardware specs. If these new laptops with AI emblazoned all over don’t offer specialised processing units for AI, then what do they offer? Surely they can’t just be boasting about being able to call some third-party’s API?
no thx
What’s wrong with running your own AI on your own PC? That’s a very luddite reaction for someone who moderates a “tech takes” forum.
it’s weird your local AI told you fuck all about the labor movement whose name you’re using as an insult, but oddly enough I don’t feel like wasting my time explaining this quote unquote “tech takes” forum to the type of asshole we exist to sneer at
remarkably, your post is one of those “tech takes” that we hang around the watercooler for
although I’m not sure you’ll get why
Nein!
Doch!
Ooh!
Oh hey, I got one of those buttons on my new laptop that literally never booted into Windows. Pressing it Linux says it’s “Meta + CTRL” (I think), which is pretty useful. Got it for the good price/performance/build-quality ratio.
Didn’t yet find a good use for that fancy NPU, the XDNA driver just arrived a month ago or so. Perhaps for use with Upscayl or something actually useful.
Technically it’s Meta+Shift+F23
Now it’s up to the Linux desktop environments for determining what to do if the new Copilot key is pressed.
launch ELIZA obv
