problem is not Netanyahu, it is not Ben Gvir. it is the white supremacist mindset of Israeli public.
#Israel #Genocide #Politics #Inhumanity #Racism
@palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe @israel
Remember that the Holocaust had majority support in Germany too.
Saying Israel is like Nazi Germany is absolutely not a metaphor. There are more similarities than there are differences, they just switched up which ethnic group is the target.
https://zionism.wtf/ Though quiz for the daring and the ones who are still unsure if there are parallels.
@HiddenLayer555 @faab64 There are lots of parallels, you may want to read my essay on the topic here:
https://farid.ps/articles/victim/_mentality/_scapegoating/_dehumanization/_genocideGenerational trauma. It’s probably exactly the same thing.
I’m tired of hearing this. Every population has a segment of straight up fascists in it and the zionist project explicitly selected for those people. Calling it generational trauma is centering the jewishness of the project and doing the same equating that they do to justify themselves. Most jews don’t live in ‘israel’. Most jews aren’t fascist. Most jews don’t display this ‘generational trauma’. And there are a lot of fascists of other backgrounds that don’t have the ‘generational trauma’ yet exhibit the same attitudes.
So that’s not what’s going on. They’re not victims; they’re fascists.
@AntiOutsideAktion @thepenismightier The victim mentality plays a central role here. Like the Germans they are blaming - dehumanizing - murdering others for their own shortcomings.
https://farid.ps/articles/victim/_mentality/_scapegoating/_dehumanization/_genocide
@HiddenLayer555 you have no idea what you are talking about. Go and read a book
Its not even a country, its a military occupation zone and the people a colonialists. So yeah what a shocker that people in the ZOZ (Zionist Occupation Zone) are extremely racist. Im in the ZOZ rn (long story, my parents thought it would “turn me into a Zionist”) and yesterday they celebrated the brutal occupation of east Jerusalem. In that parade people waved “Israeli” flags happily alongside Kahanism flags, even Zehut showed up (far-right “Libertarian” Zionists).
I can only find articles about the poll, but not the poll itself. Anyone got more luck?
Edit: I honestly think this shouldn’t be posted without a solid source. It could be fake and would serve to 1) make the Israelian government able to say “look, we have that much support from the public to continue the genocide” and 2) further the divide of the actual people living in the whole region regardless of made up borders.
Don’t have time to go through the translation, but the source is here
I saw that linked as well but isn’t that an article too?
The original poll was supossedly requested by Penn state university and done by a company named “Geocartography”.
I found this
This article is by the person who commissioned the poll and contains a link to what I assume the text of the poll was.
It survey 1000 respondents, but I’m not sure if hard any checks built it to check how representative. It doesn’t look like it’s going to be peer reviewed, it was commissioned by a history professor. But he makes some interesting arguments in the above article.
But did it ever capture headlines…
Did you create this profile just to post some garbage comments about this?
Yes, I waited almost a year and 1.2k comments to ask for proof on your post 🙄
Weird, that you would react so hostile.
@Duke_Nukem_1990 I don’t know, because any idiot with half a brain could have made a simple search before posting such garbage comment and the profile of you I see only shows 2 comments, maybe because of your shitty pod.
I am just sick of idiots who sit on their ass questioning everything that doesn’t fit their pre-defined view of the world.
that’s all.
I did search for the source and didn’t find it and obviously you are unable to produce one either.
questioning everything that doesn’t fit their pre-defined view of the world
Right, I should instead just believe a random twitter post from a random person. Is that how you usually form your opinions?
@Duke_Nukem_1990
Didn’t the reply post with The Conversation, plus Farhad’s citation of the original Haaretz article satisfy you?Do you really think that all of those publications and organizations are distorting something? Or, as Farhad thinks, are you just being as asshole?
For sure, but netanyahu is also very much a problem.
Durable peace in the middle east is not possible while the state of Israel exists.
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Reason: Advocating for genocidezionists not conflating genocide and the dissolution of a state challenge (impossible)
It’s not about the state Israel, it’s about letting them get away with any crime they desire.
Israel have destroyed any chance for a w state solution, the only viable option left is a one state solution similar to that of South Africa, but it’s not going to happen because of the power christian Zionists in the US and the rest of the world.
I honestly have no idea how this madness can be stopped without destroying the biggest religious cult in the west.
Much of what they’ve done in Palestine has been officially sanctioned and co-opted by western powers - it isn’t at at all about the legality of what they are doing
Schrödingers only Democracy in the Middle East.
Government is legitimate because it enacts the majority will of the people, but the government statements and actions are not representative of the majority of the people…
Unfortunately i am afraid we will see mostly the same shit like in post war Germany when everything is over. Denial, pretending to not having known, claiming to have been mislead, just following orders…
“Palestinians voted for Hamas democratically, but Israel is the only Democracy.”
“Palestinians voted for Hamas” is such a braindead statement IMO. Yeah, they did, twenty years ago, after which Hamas promptly murdered the opposition and never held another fair election.
in case you’re wondering, here “white”=“majority,” not the definition used politically in most countries. Retro-etymology being “blank,” or “standard,” like a sheet of paper without details. In Japan, for instance, white people are ethnically japanese. I point this out because in Israel the majority would not be considered white in many places in the world; Jews would elsewhere be considered a diverse conglomerate of ethnicities.
I normally advocate for terms like “racial supremacist” or “ethno-supremacist” in a context like this because people don’t get nearly as defensive when they hear this, but white supremacy is catchy as a term I guess and so it perseveres.
Fair enough. But the problem is that most of them are white Europeans
That’s actually not a problem. White europeans aren’t more capable of ethno-supremacy than other races. (Putting aside whether Ashkenazi are white in that sense at all – presumably not, since part of the reason Israel was funded was to get the Jews out of europe.) The problem is that Israel is an ethno-supremacist settler-colonist state. If you removed the Ashkenazi from Israel, the Sefardi for instance, or Mezrahi (who unarguably don’t resemble white europeans) would continue the settler-colonism on their own. They don’t actually need the Ashkenazi Jews for the state to perpetuate.
Whiteness is a malleable social construct that is entirely dependent on who’s passing as the default of settler society. The fact that Ashkenazis were not considered white in 1930s Germany has as little bearing on their whiteness today as Italians being considered people of color in 19th century USA.
I’m not talking about 1930’s Germany, I’m talking about the USA today lol. But yeah, it’s not relevant in Israel – that’s my point.
Yeah, I seem to have misread you, apologies. Not gonna edit the comment because it kind of says the same thing from a different angle.
Aren’t most Israeli Jews not European but Middle Eastern?
The problem isn’t that they are white Europeans at all, even if it’s true they are, the problem is that they are a settler colonial project.
JFC
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Yes, you’re correct. And even the Europeans are mostly Ashkenazi, who are sometimes considered white, sometimes not. If you ask the KKK, definitely not white – IMO that’s really what matters; if there are hate groups out for you, you’re probably not white.
white supremacy is catchy as a term I guess
It’s a way to virtue signal, misdirect the anger and get clicks
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@Tooden @palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe @israel
Exactly, in a democracy, when people keep chosing fascists, it is no longer the fault of the few by the failure of the society. Even if the extremists are few, they get enough support among the masses to keep getting elected and protect the criminal extremists.
It can be, and in fact is, more than one thing. In fact, all of these are even related closely. Wouldn’t want people to mistakenly think your goal is to direct attention away from those who are most directly culpable for action when it comes to Genocide, that’d be… weird, right?
I think it’s pretty obvious that their point is that Netanyahu is a symptom of a deeper evil, but go off with your vague accusations and insinuations I guess
Netanyahu is the flag bearer of the Israeli fascim, the flag was handed over to him from Begin and Sharon and will be given to another monster who maybe even worse than him.
He is not the reason for Israeli atrocities, he is the child of a supremacist mindset who lies with not shame and gets away with it.
He is far worse than Trump, because he is not an idiot and knows how to manipulate others without looking like a clown. .
Source?
Unpaywalled link: https://archive.md/yI4Dy
For some reason, I can’t get the whole page to translate no matter what machine translation service I used, but here’s a translated excerpt from below the first graph:
It seems that Ginzburg and other ultra-Orthodox rabbis can be particularly proud of the change that has taken place in the Jewish population: 82% of those surveyed expressed support for the forced deportation of residents of the Gaza Strip, and 56% supported the forced deportation of Arab citizens of Israel. In a 2003 survey, the positive answers to these questions were “only” 45% and 31%, respectively.
Yeah, i know those things are true because they have been known for a while and confirmed multiple times, but still its good to have a direct source link, even if the publisher was specified.
The twitter post even has the timestamp removed which is always bad.
@faab64 Not only Israel. I think it is widespread in every government having supported them after the ICJ warrants.
Israelis don’t consider themselves White. Saying that the problem is “White Supremacy” shows that you’re looking at the problem through a lens that is very conditioned for Western politics
lol
These brought tens of thousands of Jews from remote parts of Ethiopia, who had suffered from religious persecution, famine and civil wars.
Yet, when they arrived in Israel, these distinctive people faced appalling discrimination, racism and a lack of empathy for their hardships in Ethiopia and during their journey to Israel.
We can talk about it from a lens of Western politics. Because it is western politics. Because Israel is literally European colonialism
You can take the settler out of Amerikkka, but you can’t take Amerikkka out the settler
They also outright refused to consider Ugandan Jews as Jews, while the rabbinic conferences all over the world had no problem with it.
@Richat the foundation of Zionism is in white supremacy under the cover of Judaism.
Zionism is a western problem z it was created in central Europe, just like fascism with the same kind of mindset.
One was about Arian people, the other about Jewish people, both with the same disregard to others and the right to exterminate their opponents with no mercy.
@Richat
Oh, another #Zionist troll. So many #Zionazis our this morning. #BlockZionists
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We need to reject those who blame Jews.
Not for optics, and not because it would get us in trouble to be associated with those people, but because Jews as a whole are not responsible and should not be held responsible for the actions of Zionists – zionists who are represented by a lot of Jews, but also by a lot of christians, atheists etc. who should not be blamed any less for their ethnicity/religion, just as Jews should not be blamed for the actions of zionists.
What the fuck does that mean exactly?
It means exactly what it says.
Spare me the crocodile tears, genocide apologist.
More like crocodile yawns.
Wow dude that’s like so cool fr, I bet all the girls in your middle school think you’re the smartest most skeptic guy ever
I don’t have a middle school, but if I had, most here would be able to learn something from my students.
More Jews live outside of Israel than within it.
Opposing Israel and Israelis is not the same as opposing Jews.
It’s dangerous to conflate all Jews with the genocidal Israel as you are doing here, but I believe you know that already and do it intentionally.
I believe you have already seen headlines of the cold blooded murder of a jewish couple in the US.
I don’t think hate is limited to one or two countries in Nazism 2.0. It is global this time.
“cold blooded murder of a Jewish couple” is a very strange way of saying “targeted assassination of 2 ambassadors for the Israeli genocide state one of which being a former IDF Soldier and a Christian from Germany”.
Like I said though, but even more assuredly, you know this is a dangerous conflation and do it intentionally. Zionism feeds on and thus encourages anti-Semitism.
Are you claiming that they murdered ambassdors?
I am sorry, I can’t follow through what your point is or why exactly you seek corrections in mine.
I have not seen this, what are you referring to?
You haven’t seen what OP posted?
No?
ok
So what are you referring to?
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Thanks for confirming. Not that anyone is mistaken.
