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If you eat basically any form of meat, I have some bad news for you…
Or drink milk. Vegetarians don’t get a pass.
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I do give deer hunting a pass because they’re overpopulated in places (because humans wiped out their native predators).
Feel free to try and change my mind so I can wipe that off my ever-shrinking personal “ethically ok to eat meats” list. For all I know this is one of those lies I was raised with that I’ve not examined since childhood. Edit: context is in Kentucky, USA 20 years ago. I don’t know about deer populations elsewhere and elsewhen.
Former vegan, current pescatarian here.
Dont stop hunting, please. Humans did a phenomenal job of ensuring a required hunting season for deer by wiping out all the natural predators, now without them we have to have culls. If you participate in said culls, PLEASE eat the meat, use the pelt, give the antlers to your dog. We’ve forced ourselves into a position where some of us MUST take up the mantle of predator. If you choose to, just be responsible with the carcass so it didn’t die for no good reason.
Edit: accidentally lied, I’m not a vegetarian I’m a pescatarian who outside of her 6 shrimp a week is vegan.
To add a wrinkle: there’s now “farmed deer”. It’s supposedly more environmentally friendly than farmed cow, but I don’t like it because •vague feelings I’ve not fully examined•.
So don’t assume any venison you find in the grocery store was hunted.
Wow, thanks, I hate it!
Vague feelings? I think your feelings are pretty spot-on, farming an animal whose population is already excessive in the wild is bizarre.
Wild deer are more environmentally friendly than farmed deer.
The feelings are vague because I can’t put them confidently into words, but your explanation resonates.
sorry but former vegan? what happened?
Stopped eating a vegan diet I would imagine
yea I figured thanks for the insight lol
I opened up my diet to the occasional fish (scrimps) because I hadn’t managed to force enough flax into my diet to have all the omegas I need.
are there supplements that could achieve the same?
Probably? Idk I’ve never managed to remember to take supplements, I’ve got some gnarly adhd. I’ve been working on the same bottle of Vitamins for like 6 years, YaKnow?
So like, yeah I’m sure there’s a supplement, but I also don’t think it’s that big a deal to eat 6 oceanic mud bugs a week.
(For reference the reason I ever went vegan at all was in response to driving past an overcrowded slaughterhouse and seeking the conditions the animals were kept in, it was horrific. I avoid farmed animal products like the plague, and I try to be responsible in the amount of hunted animal products I use, like I said, just 6 scrimps a week.
Makes sense. Taking supplements is hard. My doctor wants me taking krill oil for the omegas and it’s 1. hard to find any that doesn’t come in cow (or mystery) gelatin and 2. hard to actually take the things.
My B12 is a tad easier because it tastes like candy and is fun to melt under the tongue, but I still don’t take it regularly.
This applies boars as well
Only time I’ve eaten meat in the past ~30 years was when I ate some invasive fish that had been caught in a killathon to restore native habitat. Not that it’s my role to “give you a pass,” but I certainly do in this case!
Apparently there’s spear fisherfolk in Florida that kill invasive lionfish and provide them to local restaurants. I’m all for killing and eating invasive species.
That’s exactly what I ate :)
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There’s whale meat in my steak!?
I mean yes, but what do you think happens to regular fish
Many of us are against that too. Whales just happen to be exceedingly intelligent and capable of forming powerful emotional bonds
Farm animals have it even worse
This is not an isolated issue. This is how we treat animals and other humans (regarding the harpooning, we only do it figuratively to other humans, not literally).
Go vegan.
People’s morality about slaughtering meat is going to flip so hard once we get affordable lab grown meat, future generations will think of us as utter savages. But until then I don’t think it’s going to happen at scale
I doubt, it’s going to make any sudden jumps. We have various vegan meat alternatives already, which are good, and you still have plenty people that feel personally attacked by the existence of morals, because they base their personality on eating dead animals.
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Go vegan.
but plants feel pain too
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The human experience is built on cruelty.
Well, almost. The human experience of the imperial core is built on cruelty. I’m pretty sure the Native Americans weren’t slaughtering animals on an industrial scale.
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✍︎ arscyni.cc: modernity ∝ nature.Depending on which Native Americans we’re taking about, some of them drove entire herds of bison over cliffs. Our European ancestors hunted the mastodon to extinction, I think? In Australia and New Zealand a bunch of reptiles and the moa birds were wiped out by humans.
I don’t think most humans are ever thinking about genocide exactly (probably some are/were), but that they’re focused on feeding and defending their communities and not considering the balance of the ecosystem.
Tried making a joke here before reading more about it and now I regret the joke so I edited this out.
It’s okay, it’s for scientific research !
Don’t feel so bad for the whales … we do the same to human beings too
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Poor whales. It’s better to eat the children, that’s why civilized people eat lamb and chicken.
If there were fish artists, do you think they would draw depressing pictures of whales obliterating entire colonies just to feed themselves, or humans doing the same for entire ecosystems?
I’m all for taking better care of our ecosystems, but let’s face it, a lot of animals are assholes whose lives literally depends on preying on other animals. I also don’t like to hear plants scream: https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24473/20191218/a-group-of-scientists-suggest-that-plants-feel-pain.htm
