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Spectre ( Confidant6198@lemmy.ml ) M to Comics@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago

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Spectre ( Confidant6198@lemmy.ml ) M to Comics@lemmy.ml · 1 year ago
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Original: https://x.com/tinysnekcomics/status/1392518674322448386

  • 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠 ( ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ) 
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    I trust someone who was actually there more than a random user on the internet, yes. If you have a source that shows the opposite, feel free to share.

    • Dessalines ( dessalines@lemmy.ml ) 
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      You’re not going to find many books to the effect of, “see how hegemonic we aren’t”, so you mainly need to look at how the ussr treated republics within it, and especially preserved national minorities.

      The USSR academy of sciences published works in many languages, same for the state publishing houses.

      There are also some longer works on the languages of the USSR, because there was such a diversity of them and the constitution mandated their protection, but I haven’t read them.

      Compare with the US (wiped out every indigenous language), or the UK (tried to do the same for Irish and Welsh). It’s always projection with these anticommunist westerner historians.

      You can see the diversity here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_Soviet_Union

      • 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠 ( ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ) 
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        Perhaps also read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification then, which is linked on that page. It explains how the Soviets:

        • Forced other languages to use cyrillic if they didn’t before, aligning the spelling of words with Russian
        • Made Russian a mandatory subject in schools
        • In mostly urban areas made sure education was primarily provided in Russian
        • Made indigenous people learn Russian, but Russian immigrants to those areas did not learn the indigenous language there

        These were all policies aimed at “unifying” the various cultures in the Soviet Union and strengthening control.

        Early Soviet Union is as you described, promoting various cultures and languages. Lenin saw that as a way to gain favour with the local populations. Later leaders however went down a different path.

      • Jimmy ( jhavok@mstdn.party ) 
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        @dessalines @ChairmanMeow Why won’t those ungrateful Ukrainians just surrender to Putin’s kindly embrace?

        • mathemachristian [he/him] ( mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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          Surrender? The people of donbass already voted to secede before the raf got involved directly. They don’t want to be a part of Ukraine.

          • Jimmy ( jhavok@mstdn.party ) 
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            @mathemachristian Also: Putin was popularly elected.

            • mathemachristian [he/him] ( mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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              I dont get your point.

              • Grapho ( Grapho@lemmy.ml ) 
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                Whenever Russia comes up these comments sections devolve into putting the lib in madlibs.

                Just nonsensical word salad from people trying to remember what looked like a zinger in another comment section but not knowing when to say it because they didn’t know shit then and they sure didn’t bother to learn, so they don’t know shit now either.

                • mathemachristian [he/him] ( mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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                  madlibs is such a good way of phrasing it, they learn some phrases with a set of conditions for when to use it like and then simply insert keywords. Like an akinator of epic clapbacks.

                  • davel [he/him] ( davel@lemmy.ml ) 
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                    To be fair, it’s a winning strategy on Reddit and almost every other social media platform in the imperial core.

        • Dessalines ( dessalines@lemmy.ml ) 
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          Eastern Ukrainians weren’t grateful to be bombed by NATO-funded banderites for several years in the donbass, nor were most Ukrainians glad to have their government overthrown in a US-backed coup in 2014.

          • Jimmy ( jhavok@mstdn.party ) 
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            @dessalines And yet they still fight Putin. Go figure.

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              No they don’t lmao. You’re literally crying about Russia supporting Donbas secession.

              They’re the ones resisting Ukraine, they’ve been doing it since 2014.

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                Removed by mod

    • OBJECTION! ( Objection@lemmy.ml ) 
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      I wonder if you’d apply the same standard in reverse. If a Chinese ambassador says something about the US, should I just take them at their word with no further evidence, until someone can prove that their claim is wrong?

      • 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠 ( ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ) 
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        If said Chinese ambassador wrote a book that was also sourced (like this British ambassador’s book is in a fair few places), their claims aren’t disputed by any factual evidence and is generally corroborated by historians, I’d be inclined to believe them yes.

        I wouldn’t expect said ambassador to have a scientific study backing up every single sentence in the book. If he’s writing about his experiences, that can be a valuable perspective on things. I wouldn’t treat it as gospel necessarily but I can still apply critical thinking to ascertain whether or not they’re a credible source.

        • Grapho ( Grapho@lemmy.ml ) 
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          Ok, point at those fair few (lmao) places. That was the original question.

          Spare us the hot dogging, show us verifiable facts or shut up.

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