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Toes♀ ( Toes@ani.social )  to Technology · 1 year ago

Portable Network Graphics (PNG) New Specification

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Portable Network Graphics (PNG) New Specification

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Toes♀ ( Toes@ani.social )  to Technology · 1 year ago
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Portable Network Graphics (PNG) Specification (Third Edition)
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This document describes PNG (Portable Network Graphics), an extensible file format for the lossless, portable, well-compressed storage of static and animated raster images. PNG provides a patent-free replacement for GIF and can also replace many common uses of TIFF. Indexed-color, greyscale, and truecolor images are supported, plus an optional alpha channel. Sample depths range from 1 to 16 bits.
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  • dormedas ( dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com ) 
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    I said in a previous article that this is great, but we should be adopting JPEG-XL as it is current and can now compress pixel-perfect / lossless images better than old PNG. IIRC this revision of the spec doesn’t improve compression yet but it’s coming.

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      • dormedas ( dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com ) 
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        JPEG-XL is only really in limbo because Google chose to kill it in Chrome in favor of AVIF. Had that not happened, there would have been far more demand for it to be properly implemented everywhere. Sucks, but you’re right that we’ll have to stick with AVIF/HEIG/WebP.

        • Midnitte ( Midnitte@beehaw.org ) 
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          And ain’t that the entire problem with 99.9% of the web using chromium…

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    Not seeing how this would affect uptake. Lossless is great for production images, but standard JPEG will do (at low compression) for most Web use cases. Until OS developers coalesce around PNG as a standard (Windows has for screenshots), this is that old standards xkcd.

    Alpha channels are nice and all, but how many end users A) have a need for that and B) understand the underlying concept, let alone implementation?

    • Melody Fwygon ( fwygon@beehaw.org ) 
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      Alpha channels are critical. The ability to have images have transparency in them is much more useful than you believe it is. Many end users have a need for it, more than they know they do; so this argument really isn’t doing much for your stance supporting PNG. Similarly PNG has supported alpha channels for quite a while.

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        For production, yes. What percentage of images produced are for production, though? I know damn well how important alpha channels are, but for posting something on social media, which is orders of magnitude more output than image creation within the context of a larger presentation, no one cares.

        The vast majority of people aren’t graphic artists. That you and I know what alpha channels are has no bearing on daily use by the masses.

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            If you know why you need alpha channels, of course you’re going to save in an appropriate format. But most casual users aren’t going to care. They took a picture of their breakfast or dog and just want to upload now. I’m not arguing PNGs serve no purpose; I’m arguing that most people aren’t Web or app designers. They don’t care whether it’s lossy or lossless, let alone about transparency.

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          You are talking about photos. PNG is not the right format for photos.

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        I’ll agree for those use cases, but not everyone is making icons, stickers and emoji.

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          They are using them, however. They’re visiting websites with them, using apps with them, and so forth.

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            OK, and the kernel is written in C and assembly. Should they know both of those as well?

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              No, but it should still work. Getting rid of alpha channels would break all of that.

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