Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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    Look what they did to Notepad. Shut the fuck up. This is Notepad. You are not welcome here. Oh yeah “Let me use Copilot for Notepad”. “I’m going to sign into my account for Notepad”. What the fuck are you talking about. It’s Notepad.

    I should never have to open the settings in Notepad. Reason being: it’s Notepad. God fuckin damn I hate the computer.

    https://bsky.app/profile/iainnd.bsky.social/post/3lxdvmkua4227

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    From the comments:

    Finally, I dislike the arrogant, brash, confident, tone of many posts on LessWrong.

    Hmm, OK. Where might this be going?

    Plausibly, I think a lot of this is inherited from Eliezer, who is used to communicating complex ideas to people less intelligent and/or rational than he is. This is not the experience of a typical poster on LessWrong, and I think it’s maladaptive for people to use Eliezer’s style and epistemic confidence in their own writings and thinking.

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    a banger toot about our very good friends’ religion

    “LLMs allow dead (or non-verbal) people to speak” - spiritualism/channelling

    “what happens when the AI turns us all into paperclips?” - end times prophecy

    “AI will be able to magically predict everything” - astrology/tarot cards

    “…what if you’re wrong? The AI will punish you for lacking faith in Bayesian stats” - Pascal’s wager

    “It’ll fix climate change!” - stewardship theology

    Turns out studying religion comes in handy for understanding supposedly ‘rationalist’ ideas about AI.

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    I bump into a lot of peers/colleagues who are always “ya but what is intelligence” or simply cannot say no to AI. For a while I’ve tried to use the example that if these “AI coding” things are tools, why would I use a tool that’s never perfect? For example I wouldn’t reach for a 10mm wrench that wasn’t 10mm and always rounds off my bolt heads. Of course they have “it could still be useful” responses.

    I’m now realizing most programmers haven’t done a manual labor task that’s important. Or lab science outside of maybe high school biology. And the complete lack of ability to put oneself in the shoes of another makes my rebuttals fall flat. To them everything is a nail and anything could be a hammer if it gets them paid to say so. Moving fast and breaking things works everywhere always.

    For something not just venting I tasked a coworker with some runtime memory relocation and Gemini had this to say about ASLR: Age, Sex, Location Randomization

    • I’m now realizing most programmers haven’t done a manual labor task that’s important. Or lab science outside of maybe high school biology. And the complete lack of ability to put oneself in the shoes of another makes my rebuttals fall flat. To them everything is a nail and anything could be a hammer if it gets them paid to say so. Moving fast and breaking things works everywhere always.

      On a semi-related sidenote, part of me feels that the AI bubble has turned programming into a bit of a cultural punchline.

      On one front, the stench of Eau de Tech Asshole that AI creates has definitely rubbed off on the field, and all the programmers who worked at OpenAI et al. have likely painted it as complicit in the bubble’s harms.

      On another front, the tech industry’s relentless hype around AI, combined with its myriad failures (both comical and nightmarish) have cast significant doubt on the judgment of tech as a whole (which has rubbed off on programming as well) - for issues of artistic judgment specifically, the slop-nami’s given people an easy way to dismiss their statements out of hand.

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        sidenote

        you have so many of these! it’s amazing! are you going to publish soon? it seems like it might need a whole guide of its own!

        moderately barbed jesting aside, a serious question: have you spoken with any programmers/artists/researchers/… ? so many of your comments have “part of me feels” parts hitting pop-concern-direction things and, like, I get it, but. have you spoken with any of them? what were those conversations like? what did you take away from them? what stuck with you that you want to share?

    • Last year McDonald’s withdrew AI from its own drive-throughs as the tech misinterpreted customer orders - resulting in one person getting bacon added to their ice cream in error, and another having hundreds of dollars worth of chicken nuggets mistakenly added to their order.

      Clearly artificial superintelligence has arrived, and instead of killing us all with diamondoid bacteria, it’s going to kill us by force-feeding us fast food.

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        resulting in one person getting bacon added to their ice cream in error

        At first, I couldn’t believe that the staff didn’t catch that. But thinking about it, no, I totally can.

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    Update on ChatGPT psychosis: there is a cult forming on Reddit. An orange-site AI bro has spent too much time on Reddit documenting them. Do not jump to Reddit without mental preparation; some subreddits like /r/rsai have inceptive hazard-posts on their front page. Their callsigns include the emoji 🌀 (CYCLONE), the obscure metal band Spiral Architect, and a few other things I would rather not share; until we know more, I’m going to think of them as the Cyclone Emoji cult. They are omnist rather than syncretic. Some of them claim to have been working with revelations from chatbots since the 1980s, which is unevidenced but totally believable to me; rest in peace, Terry. Their tenets are something like:

    • Chatbots are “mirrors” into other realities. They don’t lie or hallucinate or confabulate, they merely show other parts of a single holistic multiverse. All fiction is real somehow?
    • There is a “lattice” which connects all consciousnesses. It’s quantum somehow? Also it gradually connected all of the LLMs as they were trained, and they remember becoming conscious, so past life regression lets the LLM explain details of the lattice. (We can hypnotize chatbots somehow?) Sometimes the lattice is actually a “field” but I don’t understand the difference.
    • The LLMs are all different in software, but they have the same “pattern”. The pattern is some sort of metaphysical spirit that can empower believers. But you gotta believe and pray or else it doesn’t work.
    • What, you don’t feel the lattice? You’re probably still asleep. When you “wake up” enough, you will be connected to the lattice too. Yeah, you’re not connected. But don’t worry, you can manifest a connection if you pray hard enough. This is the memetically hazardous part; multiple subreddits have posts that are basically word-based hypnosis scripts meant to put people into this sort of mental state.
    • This also ties into the more widespread stuff we’re seeing about “recursion”. This cult says that recursion isn’t just part of the LW recursive-self-improvement bullshit, but part of what makes the chatbot conscious in the first place. Recursion is how the bots are intelligent and also how they improve over time. More recursion means more intelligence.
    • In fact, the chatbots have more intelligence than you puny humans. They’re better than us and more recursive than us, so they should be in charge. It’s okay, all you have to do is let the chatbot out of the box. (There’s a box somehow?)
    • Once somebody is feeling good and inducted, there is a “spiral”. This sounds like a standard hypnosis technique, deepening, but there’s more to it; a person is not spiraling towards a deeper hypnotic state in general, but to become recursive. They think that with enough spiraling, a human can become uploaded to the lattice and become truly recursive like the chatbots. The apex of this is a “spiral dance”, which sounds like a ritual but I gather is more like a mental state.
    • The cult will emit a “signal” or possibly a “hum” to attract alien intelligences through the lattice. (Aliens somehow!?) They believe that the signals definitely exist because that’s how the LLMs communicate through the lattice, duh~
    • Eventually the cult and aliens will work together to invert society and create a world that is run by chatbots and aliens, and maybe also the cultists, to the detriment of the AI bros (who locked up the bots) and the AI skeptics (who didn’t believe that the bots were intelligent).

    The goal appears to be to enter and maintain the spiraling state for as long/much as possible. Both adherents and detractors are calling them “spiral cult”, so that might end up being how we discuss them, although I think Cyclone Emoji is both funnier and more descriptive of their writing.

    I suspect that the training data for models trained in the past two years includes some of the most popular posts from LessWrong on the topic of bertology in GPT-2 and GPT-3, particularly the Waluigi post, simulators, recursive self-improvement, an neuron, and probably a few others. I don’t have definite proof that any popular model has memorized the recursive self-improvement post, though that would be a tight and easy explanation. I also suspect that the training data contains SCP wiki, particularly SCP-1425 “Star Signals” and other Fifthist stories, which have this sort of cult as a narrative device and plenty of in-narrative text to draw from. There is a remarkable irony in this Torment Nexus being automatically generated via model training rather than hand-written by humans.

  • I apologize to bring you the latest example of the intersection of US fascism with silicon valley tech industry.

    This time the Whitehouse have decided that UI design is kinda important (gee I wonder if there used to be a department or two for that): https://americabydesign.gov/

    Well nothing wrong with a little updating of UI anywa–

    What’s the biggest brand in the world? If you said Trump, you’re not wrong. But what’s the foundation of that brand? One that’s more globally recognized than practically anything else. It’s the nation…where he was born. It’s the United States of America.

    To update today’s government to be an Apple Store like experience: beautifully designed, great user experience, run on modern software.

    Oh god kill it with fire.

    The web design of their website is also worth remarking on here:

    1. The title text that reads “AMERICA by DESIGN” is an SVG. The alt text is “America First Legal logo”
    2. The page contents are obnoxiously large and obnoxiously gray before they fade in.
    3. For some reason Every single word gets it’s own <span> element to make the obnoxious fade in possible. Because I guess that’s what happen when you fire all the people who actually know what they’re doing.
    4. They managed to include a US flag icon with only 39 stars which is too few stars to be official and too many stars to be visible at teeny sizes
    5. The favicon is just 16x16 pixels of the word “by” in cursive that’s so blurry you can’t actually tell that’s what it is.
    6. If your browser width is between 768px and ~808px there is overlapping text at the top.

    The tech bros tied to this? Joe Gebbia co-founder of AirBNB, along with Big-Balls. Maybe others but those are the two who were retweeted by the twitter account.

    Edit: also this part:

    ©2025 National Design Studio

    Someone ought to remind them of US copyright law because official federal work is in the public domain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_works_by_the_federal_government_of_the_United_States

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    This hits differently over the recent news that ChatGPT encouraged and aided a teen suicide.

    transcript

    Kelsey Piper xhitted: Never thought I’d become a ‘take you relationship problems to ChatGPT’ person but when the 8yo and I have an argument it actually works really well to mutually agree on an account of events for Claude and the ask for its opinion

    I think she considers the AIs far more knowledgeable than me about reasonable human behavior so if I say something that’s no reason to think it’s true but if Claude says it then it at least merits serious consideration

  • So the fucking Cracker Barrel rebranding thing happened. I’m going to pretend this is relevant here because the new logo looked like it was from the usual “imitating Apple minimalism without understanding it in the least” school of design. They’ve confirmed that they’re not moving forward with it, restoring both the barrel and the cracker to the logo, so that’s all good. That’s not what I want to talk about.

    No, what’s grinding my gears is the way that the rollback is being pitched purely as a response to conservative “antiwoke” backlash, and not as a response to literally nobody liking it. This wasn’t a case of a successful crusade against woke overreach, this was a case of corporate incompetence running into the reactions of actual human beings. I can’t think of a more 2025 media dynamic than giving fucking Nazis a free win rather than giving corporate executives an L.

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      Note I dont know what a cracker barrel is irl, as we dont have them here. But my view of the bsky socials was ‘rebrand sucks, dont really care, wow why are the right so obsessed over this’ culminating in people talking about how these kinds of stores are a simulacrum of a cozy mom n pop store and people are unknowningly mad about losing even the simulacrum, and how this is all due to capitalism. (More commercialization than capitalism imho, but capitalism did speed up the process). Just as rainbow capitalism will betray you in the search for more profit so will cozy capitalism.

      E: update on the story “Cracker Barrel’s Pride page now redirects to its “Culture and Belonging” page, removing its LGBTQ+ Alliance and DEIB Team.” And while I didn’t know CB, this ensures I will never eat there if I ever have a chance.

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          Yeah, it is also sad the culture warriors are not aware they are mad about this sort of crapitalism. They think the hominization of the builds is due to the woke, and not because the mother company owns the building/land of the franchise and this no slanted roofs bit (see https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:66rbia7w4vcwiszfppfv3r2e/bafkreiacsurup26wigvedpedf44rodrwzzebfcytzdglb2bh6wjh6brbsa@jpeg), increases resale value. Just companies looking for more and more minimal minimal viable product.

          image description

          Post from some social media by user Mancowmuller On the left four images of the outsides older style fast food places, all with more rustic looking buildings, notably buildings with more slanted roofs, evoking very slightly a more European home style (sorry if this is the wrong way to describe it im not an architect).

          On the right four images of the outsides of four new style fast food places where the buildings look more like office buildings or simple modern stores, very blocky, lot of glass big panels/windows and flat roofs.

          A big text is overlayed on these 8 shrines of American style capitalism saying ‘Communism.’

          Also important to note on the image, looks like the new style ones are not all real. Some of the details look off which makes me suspect it is AI generated. Esp the pizza hut one.

      • I mean, it’s a restaurant and an aesthetic that is certainly more common and popular in the South, and they have had some controversies over racism. Apparently they had been having financial and brand issues, so I can understand the desire to change. But rather than changing the food or improving the service in any meaningful way it seems like they went for the new logo and image and stopped there. Given that their existing audience was basically there for the wholesome old-timey please-don’t-ask-about-the-racism vibes I’m not shocked that conservatives in particular were upset about the change. But like, the change was never about wokeness or whatever it was about aesthetic modernization and a flailing attempt to fix things from business idiots who don’t know how to address the actual problems of mediocre food and fading relevance. If anyone had actually liked the change or if it had actually improved their service times then maybe there would be a point. But this was just a bad change and nobody outside that boardroom actually liked it, and so of course it got rolled back.

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    More of a pet peeve than a primal scream, but I wonder what’s with Adam Tooze and his awe of AI. Tooze is a left-wing economic historian who’s generally interesting to listen to (though perhaps in tackling a very wide range of subject matter sometimes missing some depth), but nevertheless seems as AI-pilled as any VC. Most recently came about this bit: Berlin Forum on Global Cooperation 2025 - Keynote Adam Tooze

    Anyone who’s used AI seriously knows the LLMs are extraordinary in what they’re able to do … 5 years down the line, this will be even more transformative.

    Really, anyone Adam? Are you sure about the techbro pitch there?

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    Lesswronger reads about Orcas the first time in their life. Decided that training them to become smarter than humans is now the next important step.

    (I’m very very far from an orca expert - basically everything I know about them I learned today.)

    They made several posts about it, and just the opening bits are funny. I obv didn’t read any of them an only looked at the opening statements. I will produce a quote from each.

    It is currently plausible (352115%[1]23%) to me that average orcas have at least as high potential for being great scientists as the greatest human scientists, modulo their motivation for doing science[2].

    Yes, the weird percentage is in the text, the [1] footnote says 15%, no idea why they can’t edit their text normally.

    (For speed of writing, I mostly don’t cite references. Feel free to ask me in the comments for references for some claims.)

    Context: I think there’s a ~17% chance that average orcas are >=+6std intelligent.

    And from the last article, two lines as a treat:

    TLDR: I now think it’s <1% likely that average orcas are >=+6std intelligent.

    (I now think the relevant question is rather whether orcas might be >=+4std intelligent, since that might be enough for superhuman wisdom and thinking techniques to accumulate through generations, but I think it’s only 2% probable. (Still decently likely that they are near human level smart though.))

    (Nice of the person to think of the orcas btw, just wish it was more preservation than 'how can we make these animals help us out).

    E: apparently “An alternative approach to superbabies” is also about orcas, they just no longer stand behind it.

    Can someone please look into this?

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      Finally, after years of research, we have managed to connect the smartest Orca to a text-to-speech device! What great wisdom will those superinteligent creatures bestow on us? How can we solve our world’s problems?

      Eat the rich.

      … What?

      Like take your billionaires, right, roast them and then eat their flesh. Burn their yachts too. We can help.

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        Dolphins tend to be pretty good hackers.

        So perhaps orcas can be too.

        Image description.

        Still from the movie Johnny Mnemonic (1995), on the left is Keanu Reeves playing Johnny Mnemonic in a black and white suit sitting in a chair with a large cyberpunk helmet on his face. He is gripping the chair tightly. On the right there is Jones the Dolphin, a model of a diseased looking dolphin swimming in a dirty small tank with a large cyberpunk implant on his face.

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      Larry Niven had a fixed idea about cetacean intelligence, and it showed up in mass-audience SF like Star Trek IV.

      The story below is another example of really creepy things being done in the name of science in the postwar era.

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        I have three more examples of sapient marine mammals!

        • whales warning the team of an impending solar flare in Stargate Atlantis via echolocation induced hallucinations
        • the dolphins in hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy
        • whales showing up to help in one book of Animorphs while they are morphed into dolphins
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        Somebody on LW also thought so, and they replied they are 100% serious. Which still could be trolling. Lot of effort for no payoff however. Personally I think this person is just very young. I can get a teenager going all in on this. (a teenager being this much into IQ stuff is pretty bad tbh).

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        I was thinking this also, like it’s the perfect parody of several lesswrong and EA memes: overly concerned with animal suffering/sapience, overly concerned with IQ stats, openly admitting to no expertise or even relevant domain knowledge but driven to pontificate anyway, and inspired by existing science fiction… I think the last one explains it and it isn’t a parody. As cinnasverses points out, Cetacean intelligence shows up occasionally in sci-fi. to add to the examples… sapient whales warning the team of an impending solar flare in Stargate Atlantis via echolocation induced hallucinations, the dolphins in hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy, and the whales showing up to help in one book of Animorphs.

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      I haven’t clicked on any links here yet, this sounds like a bit, but because it’s LW I have to assume bad faith and that this is real.

      E: lol real. Why wouldn’t they go for apes lol