“I believe the rights enshrined in the 1st amendment applies to everybody I agree with.”
First Amendment guards against state repercussions for speech, with exceptions. Careful not to conflate the legal and colloquial usages.
Which is why everyone needs to get off of twitter. Especially government accounts.
“I’m going to use Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I’m also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked. I’m basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk’s assassination.”
- Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA)
That’s abridgement of the First Amendment.
So, he wants to make it so just criticizing Charlie Kirk is off limits, now?
Lol! Wut? I thought this guy told everyone he was a “free speech absolutist”. What a clown.
Without exception, “free speech absolutists” just want to say a specific brand of horrid shit themselves without social blowback. It never applies to free speech as a legal concept, and certainly never applies to speech they disagree with.
Without exception? No, I don’t think that’s true, it’s just the loudest ones, unfortunately.
For genuine free speech supporters like me, this is a problem because it makes the phrase “free speech” look bad and thereby contributes to a decline in it.
That’s why I specifically called out the phrase “free speech absolutist”.
In my experience the vast majority of people who truly do advocate for freedom of speech are willing/able to understand nuances such as the fact that your freedom of speech does not grant you immunity from the social consequences of unpopular speech. I.e., other people exercising their freedom to disagree or opt not to use their private platform to host your speech. The “absolutists” will unironically call that censorship, rather than recognize other people are not compelled to engage with their speech.
I prefer to think in these terms: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/moderation-is-different-from-censorship
I think that free speech laws are what stopped us from being proactive against these intolerant fascist views.
They turn tolerance from a social contract into a “paradox” where we have to tolerate the intolerant until they take over.
If we didn’t have such strict free speech laws, we could have deplatformed and jailed these people back when they were at the “protest with confederate and Nazi flags” stage and not had to deal with the neo-fascist government stage.
To put it another way punching Nazis should be legal. A Nazi is a direct existential threat to Jewish people and other minorities. Parading with Nazi paraphernalia in public is violence towards others and punching Nazis is valid self defense. American free speech and self defense laws were written to exclude “inducement” of violence, but that’s been whittled away by the supreme Court, including a ruling that walking around with Nazi flags in a Jewish neighborhood wasn’t bad enough to permit the residents to retaliate in any way because of “free speech”.
His stance on free speech has been well established for a long time now. He champions free speech so long as it’s his speech. Any speech that disagrees with him is, in fact, itself an affront to free speech.
Shut the fuck up, Elon. We’ll be celebrating your death, as well.
I’ll celebrate his even more
Maybe that why he wants to stop this, in the hopes someone will do the same for him.
Ding ding ding!
wE hAtE cAnCeL cUlTuRe aNd lOvE fReE sPeEcH
Elon Musk hates free speech.
How does … he… have any authority over Microsoft employees… you know what I’ll just read the article
Elon Musk controls a rabid lynch-mob. That is how he has any authority.
*Free speech **absolutist
*only available via subscription
**absolutely horseshit
This is really a much more interesting article:
https://www.theverge.com/policy/776840/charlie-kirk-death-social-media-jawboning
I was going to quote segments but it’s really worth reading the whole thing. Senators shitting all over the first amendment and quotes from Charlie Kirk shitting all over them in return.
This!
Thanks for sharing. I wanted to pick up some quotes, but holy shit!
OY
This fuckin’ timeline
Elon Musk should be next IMO.
That means he’s very afraid
Musk, name people around the world would perforate you if they had the chance. Better hide in your bunker
Perhaps if he stoepped into Charlie’s shoes…
I always thought i was left, but seeing how a lot of people on the left gleefully react to someone’s assasination makes me wonder if i’m actually left.
I don’t mourn Charlie Kirk’s passing, i never liked him. But i certainly don’t celebrate his murder either. Anyone who does should be put in a mental asylum as far as i’m concerned. They certainly have mental health problems.
If you’re basing whether or not you’re “left” on anecdotal evidence of some leftists celebrating his death, you probably weren’t very left to begin with.
Fair enough. I suppose i should call myself “center”. Neither left nor right.
Don’t know where you’re actually located, but “center” and “moderate” are just smokescreen euphemisms for “right wing without the nads to say so” here in the Amerikkkan lexicon, these days.
I’ve come to think of myself as trying to be outside of the social constructs that America is currently shedding.
I see society as layered. A social fabric that we weave by acting our beliefs within our communities, which layers atop nature. Upon that we build a structure of law, order, and an artificial economy that we see as beneficial in maintaining a healthy society. It’s important that these three layers closely conform to each other, and that the structures at the top remain minimalistic and efficient in their alignment to the fabric itself, which is more organic.
But the structure has become unwieldly, and is being used against us. It confines us. It enslaves us. The vast majority of people are acting out against this, and their actions are colored by their upbringings and beliefs combined with propaganda. Our diversity is being amplified through anger at our situation, the hate of the propaganda (edit: not ‘of the propaganda’, ‘generated from the propaganda’ is better), and the greed that has become systemic.
Then there are the people who seek to rule us. To some degree they recognize that they can manipulate a failing system to take absolute control. They’ve figured out that they can control us by our anger, and turn it into hate and greed. (edit: I should add that even these people are a symptom of the sickness, and while they may seek to perpetuate it, they’re not themselves the root cause)
Right, left… it doesn’t matter. The whole system is coming down. There’s a lot more to that, but as it stands… there’s a reason a lot of us feel driven to go live on a mountain top or in the depths of the forest. It’s a withdrawal from an unjust system. But we still need the social fabric, it’s our substrate that makes us who we are. We need to embrace our communities, locally, and focus on making the lives we want everyone to be able to have as we eventually pull through this period of authoritarian fascism.
You don’t understand why people would celebrate the death of someone that wanted them dead?
I always thought i was left, but seeing how a lot of people on the left gleefully react to someone’s assasination makes me wonder if i’m actually left.
I don’t mourn Benito Mussolini’s passing, i never liked him. But i certainly don’t celebrate his murder either. Anyone who does should be put in a mental asylum as far as i’m concerned. They certainly have mental health problem
Comparing Charlie Kirk to Mussolini…
Yeah, i stand with my comment. You need better mental health care.
Someone with more time than me could easily do an entertaining mashup of Kirk and Mussolini quotes
How many people did Charlie order to kill? Since when was he the dictator of America? Please do enlighten me, because clearly you know so much more then i do…
Charlie’s job was propaganda. He laundered the fascist ideology into mainstream discourse. If my coworker said some of the awful shit Charlie said, I’d just think he was a racist piece of shit, but I wouldn’t celebrate his murder (nor would I mourn it). But Charlie had an audience of millions, and was paid handsomely to spread his fascist propaganda. I opened my nicest bottle of scotch when I heard the news.
Then you are just as bad as Charlie was. You just don’t have the same amount of followers.
I don’t give a shit what you think of me.
Show me a Charlie Kirk in charge of a country and I’ll show you Benito Mussolini.
You’re proving my point. Charlie was never in charge of a country, so you can’t possibly compare him to Mussolini.
Charlie was never in charge of a country, so you can’t possibly compare him to Mussolini.
Holy cognitive dissonance, Batman! That means there’s nothing comparable? So, which one was the human, and which one was the golfball?
You can’t compare hate-spewing fascists because they because they weren’t the same RANK!
I’m honestly impressed; you’ve surpassed Mental Gymnastics and created Mental Parkour.
How many people did Brian Thompson directly execute? Do you also argue his hands were clean?
You need better mental health care.
you start off by saying you’ve always thought you’re on the left
but the moment you disagree with someone, you start shit like this, which is a very common pattern of argument from right-wingers.
“I think your opinion is so wrong that it’s a symptom of mental illness” is just fucking stupid. do better. or, if you refuse to do better, stop attempting the “I’ve always been on the left but…” shtick. it is absolutely see-through and does not fool anyone.
I feel like you but I also feel kirk should be treated a bit by his own preachings. He said empathy is weakness and bad policy and not a virtue. He said gun deaths are worth it for the second amendment. He said families should bring their children to witness executions. All these things he said are embodied in his fate. If anyone ever died in a way that embraces their own words it is him.
What you mentioned is exactly why i didn’t like him. But i also don’t support the death penalty, and i firmly believe in due process. He got the death penalty without a fair trial. For me it’s as simple as that. And that’s not how democracy works in my book.
He was a conservative right wing political activist, but some people are comparing him to Mussolini even. Like WTF! And just because he didn’t believe in empathy doesn’t mean i shouldn’t either.
Fo i think the world is better without certain people? Sure! Do i think assasinating them is the way to go? No.
And yeah, i’m a gay man. I’m well aware of his views about that. I choose to be civilized though.
Yup and I agree with you 100%. There is how I feel about it but I also think about it in terms of his beliefs. They are not mine but its kinda funny because normally one might bring up judging someone by their own standards to be nicer than ones own beliefs might make it out for the person but for him that is certainly not the case.
Great idea! All magats will be treated by doctors then
They’re equally as bad, yes.
Equally my ass
Confused idiots like you will be the end of the USA.
What has this have to do with technology? Wishing someone else is the next one.
