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How do people have so much money to buy so much storage?
The Standard Plan for Nextflix is about 216 bucks a year. A new 10gb HDD runs around $200. Less if you look for deals and/or go for refurbished. But a total of 20tb of storage would be equivalent to two years of Netflix without ads if paying for brand new drives and not looking for deals.
Like $300? Plenty of foxes can afford that.
You don’t have to buy it all at once
Trick is to buy used disks. My entire raid pool is cobbled together from large-ish drives that got pulled from commercial servers and sold off on the cheap. Last set i bought was 3x14tb for $400.
You don’t need to buy it all at once.
Long-term planning is a pathway to many powers CEOs would call…unnatural.
I made do with a bit over 2 Tb for a bit over 15 years.
But earlier this year I bought two 3 Tb drives, and they’re a bit more expensive here in Denmark due to 25% VAT, so it was 648 DKK per drive (or $101 USD / €87 EUR). And I’m on the lowest income you can get here.
So it is possible to upgrade every now and then, and I’m very happy I’m now on 6 Tb storage (+ 2 Tb NVMe main drive, though not for storage).
I imagine if I had a job in IT, I’d be swimming in it, I’d probably have nerded out on a NAS, though even now I don’t see what I’d need it for.4 x 5 TB internal HDDs costs roughly $500.
Thats roughly a Switch 2 or Steam Deck…
… or about $42 a month, for a year, of maybe what, 2 simultaneous subscription services?
You don’t even need to get new drives to begin, just use what you probably already have lying around, old external hard drives. Use a RAID and swap drives as they fail.
Netflix premium (4k) is like $7.35/month. But HDDs are not comparatively cheaper.
Uh idk where you got that but in the us market 7.99 gets you standard with ads, the 4k tier is 25 dollars a month.
India has cheaper subscriptions. The lowest tier, 480p is 170 INR, which is about 3 USD.
If you’re in india then my understanding is that IPTV is the most cost effective option by a large margin. I"ve never lived there but my family is scattered between Bangladesh and india and they all use IPTVs.
but I guess to answer your original question: regional pricing
Is Netflix 4k bitrate of comparable quality to uh, say a ripped bluray?
Does that Netflix sub have ads?
Genuine questions, I don’t know.
You could also try to factor in the uh, cost of internet and datacaps and all that.
Could probably save some money in the long run, though thats gonna vary a lot by location and use case and I guess income/wealth situation, household size, all that.
BluRays are obviously better. I was just saying that not subscribing to Netflix is America will save a lot more than not subscribing in India. But the storage cost is very similar.
No, that sub does not have ads. There is, however a mobile only, 480p, subscription too, for less than 3 USD.
Used enterprise drives and a SAS controller. Last batch of SAS drives I bought were 16TB for $115 each.
Unraid (and I think ZFS and Ceph as well) supports adding drives 1-by-1 and different sized drives to your array. You can just buy single drives or spares whenever a sale comes around to keep expanding your storage.
The real question is:
How do people have so much media to fill up those drives?
Followed by: how do people have so much time to watch that media?
Followed by: human driven climate change is real. How can people waste energy just to hoard media that they rarely ever see again?
I understand somehow if you are torrenting and contributing to the sharing ecosystem, but just hoarding?
Q1: They have a knowledge of how to use BitTorrent, or Usenet or somesuch, without being caught.
Q2: They don’t, the point of a library is having things in case you want or need them, or maybe somebody else does.
Q3: I guarantee you it takes less energy and carbon to set up and operate a relatively small local library than it does to operate a giant realtime global streaming enterprise, by probably multiple orders of magnitude.
Fuck, I could do this with a SteamDeck, external drives or something, and run it all on a home solar power / battery system you can get off the shelf.
Have you ever seen, like physically seen, a massive datacenter the size of an auto manufacturing planr, a high rise building that is 50% server racks by floor?
Just how many racks there, how much water and energy is used?
Also: You’re arguing here that feeding evil megacorps is somehow better for the environment, than starving them?
Really?
No, I’m trying to understand why someone would store so many pictures. 20TB is enough for 330 4K movies or 10,000 1080P movies.
“Just in case I need it” is the principle of hoarding.
“Just in case I need it” is the principle of hoarding.
a large media library achieves a similar thing a subscription to on-demand streaming achieves: pick a film to watch, and you can immediately press play. there’s also a curation aspect. whenever one friend speaks highly of a film, i grab it. then once i have a larger group of friends over for movie night, we just peruse the library until we find something everyone’s in the right mood for. whatever we select from that library, i can be confident it’ll be received well: it’s already been vetted.
i mean it’s not that different from the original value proposition for Netflix, only it survives even after they turn off the money faucet.
If you are saying 330 movies is ‘hoarding’, I don’t know what to tell you.
When I grew up in the 90s, we had almost 50 VHS movies.
Wealthier friends of mine had up to or over 100 or 200.
Now what took a large shelfing unit or cabinet… fits into about the size of a brick.
Also… you are missing that digital data can be essentially instantly copied, duplicated, and shared with others.
You are also entirely discounting the idea that infrastructure could collapse, you are assuming that using it as we do now, will remain as relatively inexpensive as it is now, forever.
I am not so optimistic.
From that standpoint, it is less hoarding, as it is archiving.
I don’t think there’s a c/datahoarder. But that was exactly what the reddit community was called.
The person you’re arguing with is likely running a private ‘netflix’ instance using Jellyfin or Plex. It’s not my cuppa, but I think I have every episode of every season of Below Deck, Love Island, and Bachelor/Bachelorette on my instance.
You start running out of space pretty quickly when a dozen people are using it for their daily media consumption.
On my own, I can somewhat regularly use 1tb of internet data in a month and I’m not even a data horder. I always keep a tv on in the background (which these days usually means streaming stuff). I also stream music pretty frequently.
Its not at all unrealistic these days for someone over the course of 2+ years to get 20tb of data all in one place. And if thats media that gets accessed frequently (like music) it probably saves bandwidth and energy storing it that way.
Music we listen to many times but it barely uses any space for today’s standards.
Streaming TV is always something different, so, no point in storing it.
And movies? There may be a few favourites we watch again and even if they were 4K wouldn’t use that much space. 20TB is space enough for 330 4K 2 hour movies! Or 10,000 1080P movies. Let’s say that your job is to watch movies 8 hours a day. That’s 4 movies per day, that’s 500 weeks to watch 10,000 movies. Or 10 years (if you take a two week vacation every year). And that’s without repeating.
Let’s say you have 100 favourite movies that you like to watch on demand on 4 K (really an exaggeration) you only need 6 TB.
Si, my question stands.
It depends on the quality you’re looking for. Data hoarders often keep really really high quality files so they can convert it into whatever they want later on.
A 4k remux can range from ~30gb-80gb. That’s ~200 4k movies assuming most are around 50gb.
A 48khz .flac music album is ~500mb. That’s not alot but music makes sense to save locally, plenty of people just keep their music going all the time on shuffle.
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Streaming TV is always something different, so, no point in storing it
There is no point not storing it, you’re going to use the data either way, why not keep it? At the end of the day, you can get 20tb of storage for a reasonable amount of money, and typically the people with that kinda storage have accumulated it over the course of several years. You can always decide to get rid of stuff you don’t need if you find yourself low on space.
those are rookie numbers
Gotta start somewhere
My nas started with a pile of old 2-8tb drives I had amassed through the years from fixing computers and upgrading storage of various things. Back then 20tb was crazy. Now I have a nas where a single drive is 18tb and the full array is over 200tb.
I highly encourage anyone to build with whatever you can. Get off streaming, save your money. You can run this shit on a raspberry pi with a 4tb hard drive for under $100, probably way less with a refurb drive and a used pi. Or buy an old ewaste pc for $1-200 and stuff it with drives.
it doesn’t need to be a workhorse unless you want to create some monster Jellyfin server that can transcode 8+ uhd remux streams concurrently (and even then it doesn’t have to be that crazy, 10th gen intel igpu will handle a lot). But if you genuinely need that many streams you’ll probably need a gpu so make sure you get something with a pcie slot of appropriate bandwidth (x16 most likely)
Additionally if you truly want to stuff it full of drives def make sure it has pcie x16 so you can add hba card. Most mobos (especially office pcs and stuff like old dells and thinkcenters) come with like 2-4 sata ports max. Lsi 9300-8i or 16i will add 8 or 16 sata lanes for like $30-50 bucks (though beware of the many counterfeits) and you’ll either have to move to a new case ($) or fashion some kind of external drive bay (sff cables running out of host of to whatever drive bay)
setting up a small jellyfin server for my family instead of getting 32402398423948 subs to shitty streaming companies was the best thing i did
Okay, I want to see your RAID.
Nowadays that could just be an external drive bay with a few HDDs + ZFS.
Or if you just want to rawdog it with no redundancy they make single hard drives with 20 TB capacity now.
Yeah, I had two 10s but replaced one of them with a 20.
I need to get a proper setup.
This is what I do, 2 different speced 20 TB drives. One NAS speced drive that’s actually installed in the PC, and one budget drive that’s in an external enclosure and is periodically used for back up. No need to be fancy.
I’m using ceph with 100tb of drives and 30tb of nvme, but it’s a bit overkill.
I do a 6 drive synology btrfs with double redundancy with WD ultrastar 14TB for about 50TB storage after accounting for all overhead.
Love the potrait of Linus Torvalds behind Xenia
And that Linus Torvalds poster? I’d be on my knees in an instant. To propose of course.
yeah to propose
thats what i would be on my knees for too
How’s the barrier to entry for Jellyfin? I just got done investing in Plex when they started changing their payment model
Harder than plex to set up, but not difficult.
If you want to watch outside the network then you’ll need to port forward.
You really shouldn’t port forward Jellyfin. Hell, you really shouldn’t port forward anything. A domain is like a dollar per month. Use a reverse proxy with some sort of login gate like Authentik or Authelia.
If you’re only using it for yourself then there are a lot worse things that people do (like downloading apps for websites, using untrusted VPNs, or even just using the web)
Reverse proxy is more advanced and I think someone who needs it wouldn’t be worried about ease of use.
Just use a tunneling service like tailscale. Easy as fug to set up, and only people who know your credentials can poke about in your server.
If you remember to disconnect machines other than the server from the VPN when not using them and don’t share out the server too much, you don’t even have to spend money.
So if you want to watch outside you’re home network, the solution is to blow a hole through your firewall and just raw dog the internet through it? Air out your delicious little jelly hole for the world to see?
I wonder how we teach the kids about VPNs? Clearly their favorite brainrot youchubers/twitchies/tiktogglers nordvpn ads aren’t getting through…
Or reverse proxy, but that’s a bit more complex
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Is there a time investment for scanning and importing my library? That’s where Plex got me, so much stuff to sort and edit metadata after getting started
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Dockstarter with jellyfin + sonarr + radarr + qbittorrent + swag is your friend. I actually found jellyfin easier to setup. Don’t have to worry to much that streams are getting transcoded. Setting swag up was some effort though.
Jellyfin is great if you are only streaming content locally. If you have people outside your network trying to stream, it is more cumbersome to set up than Plex
A reverse proxy is like 3 lines in Caddy, it’s really not hard to set up
- If you’re not behind CGNAT
- If you have access to the router
- If you have a domain
- If you have the understanding to do Caddy/Traefik/NPM
If you’re behind CGNAT I don’t see how Plex will do any better. Same with no router access.
A domain is 1$ per month, which in most countries will be cheaper than any streaming service, or even a Plex subscription for that matter.
Finally, as I said, for Caddy it’s 3 lines, that you can get with 1 word search, and will have 2 substitutions for you to make, one being the previously mentioned domain, the other being Jellyfin’s IP and port. If you’re going the route of self hosting I sure hope a word search is not beyond your abilities.
I LOVE SELF HOSTING
What exactly is the point of a Jellyfin server? Wouldn’t it be easier to just like, open the files? Why would that require a server?
In addition to the UI others have mentioned, I host mine behind a VPN so all my friends can use it over the Internet, too. It gets a decent amount of traffic every week.
Are you just giving them a shared login or do you set them all up individually?
All individual logins. It just requires making an account through the UI, which is pretty quick.
How did you get started with hosting your setup?
Mostly, I’ve been fed up with music streaming platforms recently, and found that Jellyfin also supports my other media cases. I started with Navidrome, but had a computer running Mint already, so I just ran both side-by-side and find I liked Jellyfin better. They both took like 15 minutes to set up; getting my local VPN running and convincing people to use it was by far the hardest part of the setup.
That all said, I’m a software engineer in my day job, so I had a pretty good idea about how to navigate everything.
If I can just add to what @glinncor@lemmy.world said:
I personally have one so that I don’t have to mess around with plugging in any hdmi cables and moving my laptop from where it’s docked, I can flick on the server and then it can just be accessed on any tv in the house by anyone.
This is the way. And you can watch from anywhere in the world if you set things up with a VPN.
So one can watch from a phone, tablet, TV etc.
I did this for a good while but let me tell you, keeping watch progress across devices is a killer feature! I can’t go back.
When I used a folder via NFS I had to memorize my current progress on a episode, then manually open the same episode and seek to where I was on the other device.
With Jellyfin I hit pause on one and play on the other, it’s seamless.
It also shows in-progress and next-up episodes at the top of the homescreen, so resuming playback is just one click.Maybe there’s a plugin to do this in Kodi, but I find it rather clunky on mobile…
I didn’t hear no chill though.
“Jellyfin and put it in”
I’ll show you how hard my drives are.
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