I thought I would post my own journey to de-googling with challenges and wins along the way. I realise that this is a de-google community however I will also be mentioning some other replacements too. Hope this helps anyone but let me know if I can help answer any questions or discuss anything.

Why I de-googled?

Google has strayed away from its own rule of “don’t be evil” particularly in the past few years. To be fair, its not just Google, its all big US companies that dominates the market including Meta, Microsoft, Apple, Nvidia etc. This has happened for many reasons but one of them is because Trump has shown them that it is OK to break any laws/rules/ethical boundaries to dominate. All the “China is evil” talk had nothing major to do with security grounds, it was to eat the competition which ruined the market for consumers (and no I’m not Chinese or Asian). Anyways back to Google…

  • Google products makes 0 sense to me: You pay for a product for example Pixel 10 which costs over $1000 but then they collect EVERY SHRED OF data they can about you and sell that to third parties. So the main money they make from you is actually your data as well as taking the $1000 you paid. Where are the days of paying for a product which becomes yours and does exactly what you want it to do?
  • Monopoly and anti-competition: Constantly trying to kill any competition it can rather than embracing and appreciating a diverse tech ecosystem.
  • Many Google services are “walled gardens”
  • Government Surveillance Concerns
  • Location Tracking Controversies: Even with location history turned off, Google has been found to track user locations
  • Running controversial projects (ex Project Maven)
  • Little innovation: If i ignore all of the above, have you ever noticed that their products have barely changed in years (Google Drive, Keep, Mail, Maps)? This is because they are no longer about technical-innovation but rather chasing money only.

The list goes on and on.

What Products have I replaced?

I think sometimes companies forget that CUSTOMERS are the ones who drive their business, Disney certainly got reminded of that when people started cancelling their memberships after the Kimmel fiasco. Luckily, massive thanks to companies who noticed this early and started creating alternative products and many of them are even open-source (these developers are the true legends that I respect).

Here are some of the products that I have replaced in my life over the past 2 months:

Google Drive > Filen + Ente Photos

Luckily I chose not to tie myself into Google Photos because I didnt like the tie-in from the start, all photos were just in the Drive folder. I chose to go with both Ente Photos and Filen for images/documents etc.

Why Ente photos? In my opinion they are a little overpriced but they seem to have the most complete feature set for photos like great zero knowledge, AI detection, maps, facial recognition etc and best of all it all happens locally. My photos total less than 100GB currently but in the future I will have to be careful about going over my 200GB limit. IMO 1TB option is far too expensive (I would rather switch to Immich self hosted at that point).

Cons:

  • Super annoying not to have 2-way sync in Ente. They try to force you to treat Ente as the source of truth for your photos. I got around this issue though by: Watching folders locally and always editing/deleting/adding new photos locally on PC. I never make edits on Ente. If i take a photo on phone, i upload them into a “Ente upload” folder, pull those down and then copy them manually into the relevant watched folder.

Why Filen? You can easily get around 50GB by referrals which is very likely enough for documents and other files. However all other Filen options are so well priced particularly for zero knowledge encryption. I also LOVE how they did the drive mounting for all operating system with a nice dropdown to select: 2way sync, 1 way backup etc.

I will likely create another post detailing all the providers I compared in this space. I downloaded and tinkered with all of them!

Google Docs + Keep > Notion

Notion wont be my final stop however this is where some of my docs already existed so i just moved more non-private files into it. Eventually I would like to explore Obsidian more and convert doc files into MD files in Filen (particularly the private ones).

Google Maps > Organic Maps + Magic Earth for driving

This is probably going to be my biggest pain future point. This is still early days but when Im making small trips nearby, I am trialling both apps.

Google Youtube> 🥲

This is also a pain point, I have tried PeerTube however it is quite lacking aside from good privacy video guides.

Gmail, Contacts & Google Calendar> Mailbox .org

I tried many different email providers including Proton Mail, Tuta, Posteo but settled on Mailbox. Mailbox has recently updated their UI and it looks fantastic. They are a green provider, allow for very generous aliases number (and custom alias unlike Posteo). Their calendar and contacts are also fantastic and worked VERY well with Thunderbird. I found their instructions excellent to set everything up too.

Why didnt I choose encryption here like Proton/Tuta? It came down to my personal needs. What I care about the most here is that Google is NOT selling my email data. Germany has strict privacy laws, they would have to jump through alot of court hoops to gain access to my data (useless) and this would only be if I was of interest to them. If encryption is important to you, this probably isnt an option.

Again, I can do a detailed comparison of email providers in another post.

Google Gemini > Mistral and Duck AI

To be fair, I never really used Gemini too much so this was an easy choice. I do still find myself still using ChatGPT sometimes too.

Browser and Search Engine > Firefox and DuckDuckGo/Brave Search

I have been a loyal Firefox user since version 3 so this was easy (however I also use Vivaldi and respect their CEO for nice down to earth comments and being anti-AI in certain products). I opted for a combination of DuckGo and Brave because sometimes one is better than the other for results. Using both doesnt bother me. I really havent missed Google search and their AI that they FORCE down my neck…

Google Authentication > 2FAS auth

I chose 2FAS because it has a browser plugin to get the codes.

Google Lens > Flora Incognita

I thought about what I am really using Google Lens for and it turned it it was mostly to identify plants/trees etc so I tried Flora Incognita instead and its really excellent! I have hardly used Google Lens since installing this app.

Google Translate > DeepL

This replacement has been working very well however I do admit that I miss instant translations without having to take the photo.

Google Pass > KeePass> Bitwarden

Bitwarden is solid.

Google Pay > Garmin Watch Pay

When you pay with Google Pay, Google collects transaction details like merchant, amount, time, and payment method, linking you to your account to provide services and refine its advertising profile.

Garmin Pay collects a minimal payment token and transaction details needed to process the purchase, without linking you to a broader advertising/data profile.

Google Play Store > Fdroid + Aurora store

I really love Fdroid - so much love and respect to the open source community! Aurora is also great and keeps downloads anonymous. You dont have to worry too much about moving to a new phone too because you can export.

Facebook, Instagram etc. > 🗑️

I have been using Facebook (more than Instagram) for so long because I found it easy to get my news, keep in touch with friends overseas, interests etc. However their algorithms recently have gone mental, they are pushing more hate/far right propaganda recently and dont get me started on selling data here…

I made a really hard decision to close both accounts. I have been facebook free for 2 weeks though and somehow Im still alive… Instead, Im using Lemmy (WHICH IM LOVING!) and doing a thing called: Going outdoors/travelling more - The graphics outside are amazing.

Windows > Linux Fedora KDE

Im not a complete newbie to Linux but I have been on Windows for over 20 years now. When I was on holiday, I forced myself to use Fedora on a Lenovo Slim 7i (trackpad use - no mouse). Fedora is the one that worked the best perfectly out of the box (Ubuntu was second choice, others like Debian had alot of issues like Audio drivers). KDE vs Gnome, honestly I enjoy both but I chose KDE because I love the customisation.

Main cons: (again needs a seperate post)

  • Maps tracking in the browser just wouldnt work accurately which made planning trips from my current location quite tricky. I had to really mess around with alot of things to finally get it working (some of the time).
  • The window focus drove me nuts - This is a Wayland security addition which prevents window stealing so when you click on a link in VSCode, it wont bring Firefox into focus. You might think this isnt a big deal but you would be suprised how ANNOYING this can be when you end up with 20 links in Firefox that you forgot you clicked on. I did get around this by writing a KDE script.

Android phone

I have recently installed LineageOS with MicroG on my old Samsung S10e which was a headache but it was worth the effort. It’s actually FREEKING AWESOME!!! Im really jelous of it when I have a newer phone… Im going to be trying out more apps but so far its doing absolutely everything I need (including maps working flawlessly).

I would kill for a phone replacement to Google’s ecosystem, there is fairphone 6 (/e/os) however its specs are just too low for the cost and this is because of the greener aspect of the phone. There is a great market space right here for more privacy phones.

VPN > Windscribe

I like Windscribes humour and they gave me a generous amount of data when I signed up in the early days.

Conclusion

Honestly, it is much easier to replace Google products than you think but THERE IS A ROAD to go down to compare products to see what works best for you. I would recommend doing it one at a time so its not overwhelming (with a checklist). The most important thing is that it has not only been an educational experience but also a very fun rewarding one! I am looking forward to doing more in self-hosting in the future too.

  • sarmale ( sarmale@lemmy.zip ) 
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    No matter what you use you should contribute to OpenStreetmap. I have an app called Everydoor where you can add and update points of instrests (like shops, restaurants and anything else), it is really rewarding seeing how much you’ve improved your local area over the course of a couple of months (In my city the map is good but the POIs are really out of date)

    Happy Degoogling!

  • Have you tried using grayjay for youtube access without the tracking and data harvesting?

    As for office software, libreoffice is something I’ve been using for ages now, I’m stuck on windows 10 for the moment… really need to dive into some form of linux… thinking proton as I do game a fair bit.

    I’ve currently got a pixel 6 pro phone, and a HMD T21 tabelt… would really like to install lineage OS on both if possible… don’t know where to start. I used to have a wileyfox phone 10yrs ago, which used cyanogen OS… which I do believe forked into lineage OS. So I know how good the degoogle aspect was back then, plus the increased security measures built in.

    I block as much as I can across all devices, and do my best to render what they can collect worthless… I use a VPN 24/7, block all scripts, trackers and cookies, sandbox sites in their own containers… quit facebook 13yrs ago… use mastodon, lemmy, signal & telegram only… have to suffer a whatsapp account for family only. Proton mail linked to an @duck.com email… so I never get emails sent to gmail, I use an old outlook email alias for spam signups and only check it if I need to confirm an email addy.

    I’ve turned of everything I can with my phone, from location to anything to do with ai… I refuse to buy ‘smart’ devices that can be bricked or updated remotely from some company servers, or forced to connect to them to simply work… I own what I buy, so never buy digital goods (aside from some games from Steam/GOG) and only pay for Netflix streaming service… maybe I should roam the 7 seas for stuff too.

    I’m thinking about building a pi-hole and setting up home assistant to eliminate the 2 internet connected devices in my home whjich is the thermostat for my heating and the solar/battery system which I use to monitor the data from the house.

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      I will check out grayjay thanks for the mention!

      I’m using only office but have a lot of love to libre office too.

      I followed this tutorial (ironically on YouTube) to install lineage os which was very helpful because I had issues with Odin (new version didn’t pick up my phone) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CuHRh9k7rbk

      I use sandboxing a lot too in Firefox, I have requested that mozilla try to prioritise containers for Firefox mobile though because I really miss it!

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      I understand that having the tablet and the phone running the same OS might be an advantage, but have you checked out GrapheneOS for your Pixel? I’ve been using it for a year now and I’m very pleased. Also it is increadibly easy to install.

      • I’ve not looked into anything yet… I’m reaching that age where I’ve just become closer to 50 than 40… and I find myself starting to become reluctant to dive in and learn a whole new OS after decades of trying to learn everything.

    • Proton is not a linux distribution it is a compatibility layer for Windows apps to run on Linux.

      For a linux beginner I’d recommend Linux Mint definitely.

      Your “Games are the only software that it is acceptable to pay for” take is based

      VPNs are not a good option. Use Tor. The problem with VPNs is that you can’t prove that logs aren’t kept, companies are not trustworthy. A “VPN” is a “Virtual Private Network” and the system is intended for accessing a private network, not for accessing the internet. “VPN” companies’s products are not VPNs they are encrypted proxies.

      • I started buying games on steam, way, way back in the 2000’s… long before any of the enshitification began… and you’re not allowed to own anything any more… I switched to GOG for buying games, as I do own them and can download and keep them for life… But after being converted away from… erm… acquiring games via alternative methods… I’m looking to acquire them again… even games that I bought and paid for simply for the hassle free experience of not needing to be online 24/7 and having DRM degrade the performance.

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    I have a Fairphone 4, its amazing.

    Im also looking for an email replacement. Its my last google service I NEED. I need a good email that will not go down and that isnt super expensive to run.

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      How have you found banking apps on your fair phone, anything that you miss?

      My mailbox.org experience for 4 months now has been stellar. You can pay monthly to see if everything works out first and it’s only like 2-3 euro. I have absolutely stress tested every mail feature and everything has worked flawlessly. Contacts and calendar are now my main drivers too. They also had a video conferencing solution which I used a few times and it was surprisingly good too.

    • I’ll shout out startmail.com, from the same people who made StartPage. It doesn’t come with a calendar AFAIK, but has excellent PGP integration, unlimited aliases, and you can bring your own domain.

      I pay $60/year (about 50€), which isn’t bad to divorce myself from Google in my book.

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      I’d suggest seeing if you can fully switch to a local mail client on your devices. That way you know, when you are shopping for a mail provider, whether you care about their web mail client, or whether you just want standards compliant imap/smtp.

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        That said, very happy with runbox. Their web mail interface is clunky but works. Mostly using local clients though. Even switching to using a client with Gmail will drastically reduce the behavioural data google collects on you.

  • A lot of users will recommend different services to replace YouTube. In my opinion, the best thing you can do is use GrayJay.

    You’ll be able to use any of the services (PeerTube, Odysee, Nebula, YouTube, Twitch, Kick, Rumble, Dailymotion, Bitchute, etc.).

    Then all you have to do is follow those that you usually do, but you’ll be able to find them on any alternative service (if they use them).

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    I’ve made almost the exact same switches as you. I also got the Fairphone 6 with e/OS and I’m loving it.

    I’m using a mix of CoMaps and HereWeGo instead of Google Maps, and I love walking around using StreetComplete to help update the openstreetmaps. It’s way more fun than pokemon go 😜

    My biggest wish would be for CoMaps and Mapy.com to unite to make one, awesome Google Maps alternative, including the possibility of rating places like Mapy.com is doing.

    • +1 for HereWeGo. It’s really good for navigation (for my personal experience it’s better than MagicEarth) and it does collect minimum data. Didn’t know about Mapy, why do you choose it?

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        Mapy is the only one that I’ve found where you can rate places, like restaurants. That’s one of the features that I’m missing the most with these other alternatives.

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      Wow that’s epic man… What phone did you switch from and is there anything you miss?

      Lol about pokemon go comment. You are being a legend though by updating places and helping others.

      I feel that you’re right we need more people working together as long as we don’t end up with another closed source map competitor that we end up hating again 😅. I think distributed systems is the way forward. So I would love to see the reviews being kept separate from the map so that it doesn’t matter what map you use in the future, reviews are the same…

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        I came from iPhone 11 pro. Honestly, I can’t really come up with anything that I miss right now. The switch to android took a bit of time to get used to but it was surprisingly easy actually. And I started my degoogling journey BEFORE switching phones, which really made it easier for me.

        Hmm, I get your point. But as far as I understand, all the data that these apps are using come from the openstreetmaps database. So the reviews from Mapy ARE separate from the map. I love having them in the same app though, because it’s just so convenient.

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          Yes so I started first with it set to None which didn’t work then I created the kde script which fixed the issue. You can test this by opening vscode, clicking on a link and seeing that doesn’t focus Firefox. Apparently this is because some apps need to properly re-implement window focus code after the wayland security updates and push updates through. There have been complaints that discord has the same issue too. Wayland won’t do anything to fix it because they see it as a security fix for window stealing but I have no idea what kde is doing when it’s set to None.

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    I am on my on de-googling journey with a lot of self hosting (Nextcloud, vaultwarden etc) but am struggling with replacing my nest minis. I mainly use them for turning lights off, setting alarms and getting weather forecasts. What are other people using?

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    First of all, huge respect. I never thought I’d meet someone who has done all this too. I completely share your views on Google and other corporations, they abuse their power and have long crossed ethical boundaries.

    I definitely have a few alternatives to share with you. I use the Proton ecosystem, including their email services, their VPN and their AI, Lumo. I stopped using ChatGPT due to Microsoft’s involvement.

    In uBlock Origin, under “My filters”, I’ve blocked some of the most important Google services:

    ||googleapis.com^$important ||gstatic.com^$important ||google-analytics.com^$important ||googletagmanager.com^$important ||www.google.com^$important ||youtube.com^$important ||ytimg.com^$important ||googlevideo.com^$important ||googlesyndication.com^$important ||doubleclick.net^$important ||googleadservices.com^$important ||googleads.g.doubleclick.net^$important ||pagead2.googlesyndication.com^$important ||fonts.gstatic.com^$important ||apis.google.com^$important

    Some websites might look visually broken, but they remain usable

    For YouTube, I use Invidious instances via the Tor Browser. This gives me much more anonymity.

    Also, I’m planning to buy a Fairphone 6 with /e/OS (Murena). A system switch on my current Samsung A53 isn’t really possible, but the Fairphone seems built specifically for these kinds of open systems. I’m excited to see how it works.

    And again: Respect! 🙌

  • It’s decades since Google broke their “do no evil” promise… Just to be clear!

    Everyone should use at least a decent amount of encryption on any type of transmission of data/information.

    Filen looks fine. I use pCloud, and paid once, then never more… Got 2 TB for life, and I think that’s quite enough. I don’t need everything I have in the clouds.

    Ente looks okay - but as you said, a little expensive. Will have a look, into the family plan though… But I already share my pCloud with family, and it’s backup of photos is quite nice and evolving.

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      Good question, my subscriptions on YT range from music channels (I dont use Youtube music) to tech channels (gamers nexus). When I searched for the specific channels I was subscribed to on PeerTube, I didnt find any of them 🤷. Privacy guides and tech news bits from different sources were excellent though. I havent abandoned PeerTube yet though, I need to keep giving it more attempts. What has your experience been like if you fully switched over?

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    It would appreciate your assessment of Filen and comparison with the other options. I’m looking and looking and need to decide.
    Agree and understand all your choices, and whilst we vary a little, it is interesting to consider your thoughts.
    My Docs option is local with LibreOffice and some Cloud by way of CryptPad. Your assessment of Obsidian would be well received.

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      Sure thing, I will do a seperate detailed write up of the comparisons.

      Small spoilers though for why I went with Filen: From what you mentioned based on your use, I would say Filen would work perfectly for that because of how great it mounts the drive on Linux/Windows (tested myself) and Mac (havent tested). I always open documents in OnlyOffice and Obsidian files (MD) locally too and then re-sync back to the cloud.

      • Proton Drive: I could see myself moving to Proton at some point in the future because I love the idea of their Drive however… They really annoyed me by not completing a product before moving onto the next one. There is no Drive on linux, there is no network mount, the mobile apps like calendar have alot of bugs and dont work offline. I know that they say its all coming very soon but if you look at the threads on reddit, those discussions have been happening for years. For example, why build an average AI (Lumo) that no one asked for first before polishing your other products.

      • Koofr: No network mount and just felt too basic to me.

      • PCloud: Probably one of my FAVOURITE drives in terms of feature set (including Linux app) but there are so many people online complaining about their accounts being randomly closed. In addition to this, i find it VERY suspicious that they advertise themselves being based in Swizerland when they are actually based in Bulgaria. I also dont like the fact that they are pro-privacy but then use US datacentres sometimes. My instinct tingles here but I dont have enough evidence (yet).

      • Mega: The pricing just wasnt right for me, why isnt there a 500GB option? Also, there are articles questioning Mega’s encryption not to mention their company history.

      I will mention all the others in a seperate post too.