Community description for ManufacturingConsent is “when the media decides who you are rooting for.” So, being banned for questioning their narrative strikes me as absurdly funny. I mean, I guess if the idea of the community is that geneva_convenience should decide whom you root for, that would track.
The post in question: https://piefed.ca/post/266435
(I pointed out that the Guardian was probably including the hostages who died after the attacks. This really bugged OP and led to a ban.)
I don’t really care for a remedy, seems a silly place. Just thought it was funny as heck.
(For what it’s worth, like most, I side with Palestine but I think being accurate lends credence to our cause.)
That’s geneva_convenience for ya. Avoid .ml communities like the plague, they’re not very tolerant of any form of dissent. Geneva likes to paint a lot of people as Zionist without good reason.
Gotta stay in the safe lib zones where your indoctrination won’t be challenged by a different but very similar indoctrination.
… Do you actually not see the irony in posting this in a thread about being banned from a community called Manufacturing Consent for noting a mistake?
That’s kind of amazing, thank you.
“Noting a mistake”, and not trying to control the narrative, excuse a century of Zionist atrocities, and attribute Zionist execution of hostages to their victims. Yeah. Totally. Fuck off hazbara.
I really should keep an eye out for those comms and just avoid. At least any of the vaguely political ones!
(Just Manufacturing Consent feels like a trap designed for me as Chomsky’s thoughts on this are super relevant and interesting so, like a fool, I fell into the trap.)
Yes you should stay out of political comms with your garbage opinions. Glad that you realize this.
You’ve spent almost 20 minutes randomly commenting in this thread, surely you have something better to do?
Technocrit does this in every thread. Nothing new, he just likes to stir the pot.
Ahhh, good know, thanks! I’ve added the appropriate tag. (A groovy feature I did not know piefed had until today.)
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Conflating the Palestinian resistance with ICE is pretty damn creepy in my book.
Kidnapping civilians is unequivocally bad regardless of whether we think the kidnapper is on the right side of history.
Being unable to acknowledge the wrongs committed by those whom we support is pretty damn horrifying in my book. To see the same willfully ignorant “america/trump/the church can do no wrong” attitude but on the Left breaks my heart.
Do you think Israel are the good guys in this situation?
Ignoring that they have Gaza as an open air prison, they have magnitudes more Palestinians in prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody.
Did you mean to respond to another comment or did you completely miss the point?
Edit: to put it more politely… The entire above point is that rhe evil of Israel’s war does not change whether murdering and kidnapping civilians is wrong.
See this reinforces the removal you’re complaining about.
The entire above point is that rhe evil of Israel’s
wargenocide and colonial project does not change whether murdering and kidnapping civilians is wrong.What you miss is at this point Israel has been ICE the entire time
Do you not understand why going into a thread about bias in reporting to make Israel look good then blaming Palestinians and equating hamas to ice would be frowned upon?
Read what you are responding to but carefully.
Just because it’s not the answer you want doesn’t mean it wasn’t read or said carefully.
It’s more that the answer makes no sense in the context of the post, but sure!
Gotta love when people come in here acting like the innocent victim and then take their mask off in the comments.
Kidnapping civilians is unequivocally bad
Really? We literally are forced to exist with taxpayer-funded institutions whose entire purpose is to kidnap civilians as part of their function to repress dissent - they are called police.
Fyi, I am absolutely conflating the institution of policing with that of Israel - it’s perfectly justified as they are both colonialist and white supremacist creations.
Besides all that, Israel - like all colonialist entities - have, since it’s invention, made little secret of the fact that they de facto make zero distinction between “civilians” and “combatants.” Therefore, I see no need to hold the Palestinian resistance to the high standards that white liberalism have refused to apply to Israel for decades now - especially when the crimes (if they can even be called that) the Palestinian resistance have committed is downright microscopic in comparison to those perpetrated by Israel and it’s benefactors for more than half a century now.
Just so I understand, it’s totally cool and heck, probably good for Hamas to murder as many Israelis as they can but simultaneously, we are embarrassed about accurately counting the killed?
about accurately counting the killed?
What are you counting so “accurately,” Clyde? Do you have an “accurate” tally of all the Israelis the IDF slaughtered on Oct 7 because murdering Palestinians is far more important to them than keeping their own people alive?
Just so I understand,
Don’t feign ignorance… seems to me that you know exactly what you are doing here.
What are you counting so “accurately,”
If you look at the actual post you’re commenting on, you should be able yo figure it out, I have faith in you Bob!
Then you sould have no problem providing us with these “accurate” numbers of yours, shouldn’t you?
Again, if you uhhh, look at the post to which you are referring, you’ll find them! I still believe in you!
If you really are having difficulties reading the post etc, just let me know.
The Nazi speaks more!
Fuck off zionist
Okay, hope you feel better friend!
Edit: missed a pair of words, like a jerk!
Do you still remember being human? I’m always curious about that with Nazis. What would the human you were have said to the thing you are now?
cool for hamas to kill as many zionazi rape cultist baby murdering monsters as they can
Yes. Dead Nazis are always a good thing, and it’s extra cool when their victims do it.
accurately
Says the lying pieve if shit nazi
Cute to see the mask slip, though.
Zionists, not c8vilians. They are all armed and military trained. There| is not w Zionist civilian. Fuck off liar.
I read it and I don’t think it wasn’t conflating them, I think it was just a simile. Granted, I think OP was wrong here and the simile didn’t track because of it, but still, the ICE mentions could’ve been swapped with something entirely separate and the conversation would remain the same because it wasn’t a direct comparison.
Similes are rhetorical conflations. A conflation is generally an attempt to treat two similar ideas as roughly the same, which is the rhetorical purpose of a simile. If you didn’t see the comparison between the two events and want to link the ideas in the audience’s mind you would use different examples.
Tl;Dr the rhetorical act of comparing presumed like to like is usually a rhetorical act of conflation
the ICE mentions could’ve been swapped with something entirely separate
If they swapped the comparisons with something appropriate - for instance, MK capturing white South Africans to trade for the thousands the Apartheid-regime kidnapped and disappeared - their point stops looking so obvious, doesn’t it?
It’s trying to erase the century of Zionist atrocities, erase the fact that the hostages were dancing on Palestinian graves, and attribute zionist bloodlust and friendly fire/orcish disregard for hostages to their victims, while keeping an event used for Zionist excusing of genocide in the minds and imaginations of readers.
Its more complex than usual hazbarite shit, but not less vile. You do not want this scum on your server.
Simple heuristic:
It is impossible for any Palestinian to commit an injustice against a Zionist. Literally impossible. A Palestinian sociopath (if there’s anyone left in Palestine old enough for the diagnostic criteria to apply) could rape and eat a thousand Zionist larvae and it you would be a monster for stopping them.
YDI, You’re not really correcting numbers but speculating. And again it’s worth noting that many if not all zio detainees were killed by zionist attacks. Many of these murders were far after the initial resistance. The ICE comparison is really weak and gross.
So the article is misleading and you’re just feeding into it with more propaganda/speculation.
They’re even in here doubling down on it
Also, its not murder if you’re doing it to a Zionist.
YDI, You’re not really correcting numbers but speculating.
There’s the “day of” death total provided by OP. There are hostages, taken in the attack who died as a result of being taken hostage. These two numbers, with some margin of error, give the casualties listed by the Guardian.
To declare the hostages as somehow being counted differently is as stupid as ignoring radiation poisoning when counting the casualties in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
If you want debate as to whether whoever deserved what, you can do that with someone else. But your gross perspective does not change the number of deaths that resulted from October 7th.
as a result of being taken hostage
To zionist launched bombs.
So people killed by Zionists attributed to their victims. Please fuck off you hazbarite piece of shit.
Unless youre also willing to say literally every death in this conflict and all previous, on both sides, is attributable to Zionist aggression. Which you are not.
YDW and it involves a dremel you genocide apologist piece of subhuman filth. Can this asshole at least be server banned?
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ZIONIST DOWN!
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Had the wrong political opinion, I’m guessing
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Your problem is a mod who doesn’t give a fuck about the people of Palestine but uses every single inch to cry about the west being bad. Also gets comedically angry when disagreed with.
Just tag with “do not engage” and you’ll be safe. Other than that there is nothing that can be done really.
Oh absolutely, like I said, I really don’t care, I just found the irony hilarious.
Edit: though great point about the notes, happily discovered piefed has that feature too! Much appreciated!
