Esperanto! Yes, there are better conlangs, yes, it’s eurocentric, and yes, there are ways to improve it or even come up with something better. But it has a cool history, it’s tied to socialist movements and anarchist movements, it is fairly easy to learn (especially for speakers of European languages), it’s grammar is super simple, it uses a system of root words and affixes that make me think of Legos, and it has real, native speakers already, meaning it is a living language that has changed over time, and is fully capable of being used exclusively to communicate efficiently.
Plus, the fascists fucking hate it
Might as well choose English at that point.
Not against Esperanto but creating a “universal language”and then making it gendered seems a little stupid.
It’s not as bad as other languages on this front, but if I remember correctly there’s still no agreed-upon gender neutral singular pronoun in Esperanto is there?
Mi forgesis, ke mi lernis ĉi tiun lingvon.
There’s a daughter language called Ido that’s done away with gender, iirc. And I believe there’s some gender neutral ways to get around it in the community, but it’s been a long time since I’ve attempted to do anything with it
Actually wondering, why would fascists hate it? Idk much history behind language, just know that language exists.
The whole idea behind it was radical unity, internationalism, and bringing disparate people together on equal footing. Instead of me speaking a language I’ve known since birth, and you speaking a language you are just capable of understanding, and both of us trying to plead our case to the government, the idea is that we would all have an auxiliary language to compliment (not replace) our mother tongues, and we would both be capable of making yourself understood equally.
Those ideals don’t really jive with hard nationalism and pseudoscientific ideas around superior races
Yeah make sense, thanks
Congrats, you managed to turn this conversation into a socialism vs fascism conversation. It wasn’t easy but you spotted an opportunity and you took it. Now we can all talk about your favourite topic!
Congratulations, you managed to get offended by a historical tidbit about a constructed language!
Oh, and pissing off fascists is always good. Period. Full stop. If you don’t think that’s true, perhaps it’s time for some introspection!
Esperanto. it’s not the statisically-average best lingua franca but it’s the best known that’s not tied to a single nation. Plus Hitler and Stalin both hated it.
Python
Something with a consistent phonetic alphabet, like Korean with hangol.
Gaeilge just to fuck with the brits. We all have to write it in ogham too, I don’t care how inconvenient it might be.
That or serbo-croatian because we are all serbs anyway
Tabhairfaidh mé mo vóta duit.
Such a pretty language. I should learn it someday!
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Yeah Ogham would be fucking awful for modern communication but I thought it’d be really funny. In a more serious sense I actually think it’d be super interesting to see how humans adapted to it and adapted it to their needs.
Anyway I also picked Gaeilge because it makes for great lyricism
I feel like Indonesian is a decent start. There are already a lot of people speaking it, and it’s REALLY easy to learn.
There’s no conjugation and no cases/agreement. I’m a native English speaker and picked up a functional amount of Indonesian in a matter of months, just from reading a couple books before we went.
One of the South American variants of Spanish, probably Argentinian. And I say that despite not speaking any Spanish.
The language itself is a contact language and heavily influenced by centuries of cohabitation with speakers of Arabic. That simplified a lot of the Indo-European complexities away.
The phonology - the sounds - of the language are clear and predictable and sufficiently different that a non-native speaker and their accent are not too troublesome in comprehension.
The language itself is already a world language, ranking 4th in number of native speakers.
I like the suggestion of Esperanto, which I do personally speak and which has all the advantages above, except already being a world language.
One of the South American variants of Spanish, probably Argentinian.
I’d agree on the sense that everything in argentine spanish can be said with thousands of curse words interspersed. ¡la puta madre que lo parió, boludo de mierda!
That’s why they call it the Silver Tongue!
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Nou ja zeg!
Dit zelfver-nederland-cultuurtje moet blijkbaar
nog altijd blijven opkijken naar de taal waar het hoofdland
op dit moment verder afglijdt naar het fascisme.Hey, can you translate this to English?
Because what Google gives me doesn’t make sense:
This self- Dutchifying culture apparently still has to look up to the language, while the main country is currently sliding further towards fascism.
Tsk tsk!
This selfhu-miliationland-culture* apparently
needs to keep looking up to the language where it’s main country
is currently sliding further and further towards fascism.
* Wordplay on the Netherlands and humilation
I think it’s worth it learning dutch if you nail the accent, especially common ones found 50 years ago (as in dubbed Pipi Longstocking).
I’ve heard good things about Indonesian/Malay. It probably helps it was a regional lingua franca for a long time.
English was legit the best choice in Europe - analytic, with vocabulary drawn from a couple major families, and (almost) no grammatical gender. If only we could unfuck the orthography…
I feel like Indonesian is what Esperanto could’ve been.
I’ve been enjoying studying Mandarin. The tones are a bit weird but the grammar seems surprisingly simple, everything can be written pretty universally in pinyin, and Hanzi characters are great for condensing information.
Toki pona
Thus making everything open to interpretation
Latin, or even better, Klingon
Türkçe not gendered (at all, everyone and everything is “o”) and one of the easiest languages to learn
Lojban, or Toki Pona for shits and giggles.
French, we could all be a little more french when keeping our leaders on a leash
