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Fake news. Everyone in France speaks English when English speakers aren’t around. They only speak French out of spite.
Everyone in France speaks English the moment an English speaker tries to speak French.
My French sucks. I would intentionally butcher French just so they’d roll their eyes and start speaking English.
Whenever a few Europeans from different countries come together, there’s a joke that inevitably gets told:
Someone who speaks many languages is multilingual. Someone who speaks two languages is bilingual. Someone who speaks one language is English.
What is the point of depicting data in this manner? The spatial coordinates have no meaning
The countries are ordered on the bend line according to their rank, so the 1-dimensional spatial coordinate system describing this line does have meaning.
This somwhat unusual representation has the advantage that they managed to represent all datapoints with a well readable font on a graphic that fits well even on a phone’s screen, and it’s sort of eye-catching.
It’s pretty unintuitive, though. I had to actually read and analyse it rather than just view it.
Why not just use a coloured map instead? Presumably that would fit in roughly the same aspect ratio.
Where does the UK and Eire come on this?
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It’s hard to believe Germany is so high on the list. I visit regularly and even worked there for a while, where are all the fluent English speakers hiding?
The EF English Proficiency Index (EF EPI) attempts to rank countries by the equity of English language skills amongst those adults who took the EF test. It is the product of EF Education First, an international education company, and draws its conclusions from data collected via English tests available for free over the internet. The index is an online survey first published in 2011based on test data from 1.7 million test takers. The most recent edition was released in November 2023.
So the data is not representative for the entire population of a country.
Currently in university or so, and there is a large countryside vs. city gap.
In my experience there has been a relatively recent massive improvement in English skills by the younger generation. Anyone 35+ is still very much behind though. As an elder Millenial myself, it actually caught me on a wrong foot carreerwise as being able to speak English well is no longer considered to be a selection criteria for many jobs, because so many can do it and it is assume a given.
I guess this (and the data being from a very selected part of population ie. test takers) would explain my experiences with Ruhrpott folks of around 30 to 70 years of age. I’ve met many people in their late thirties, some who even work in universities, unable or very uncomfortable in speaking English.
Where in Germany? This coulf be a latent East/West divide.
Ruhrpott and Düsseldorf.
I’m also confused. Maybe they just don’t want to talk, that’s the best explanation I have.
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What’s the source for this, what does these numbers mean and how do they got these numbers, just curious
The EF EPI 2024 edition was calculated using test data from 2.1 million test takers in 2023. The test takers were self-selected.
Self-selected. Meh …
Missed the chance to reverse the color scale and have orange for the Netherlands.
Was curious how Belgium would score by language region.
Seems the Flemish part scores higher than The Netherlands while Wallonia drags everything down.
French speakers being French speakers. Case in point: France scores lower than fucking Russia
Fairly unsurprising. English is literally harder if your native language is a romance language than if it is a germanic language. Same is true for germanic native speakers who try to learn a romance language.
Except Flemish people tend to speak good French while people from Wallonia barely speak Dutch. I agree with your statement in general, but in the case of Belgium there’s a lot more to it than that.
Where is Slovenia???
I would love to see the USA’s test results on this chart.
The only red country on the list. 😔
another one for !mapswithoutnz@lemmy.nz smh my head
I hate maps of Europe that don’t include new Zealand. It really galls me.
lol, i only skimmed it and actually didn’t notice it’s limited to Europe.
(my attempted joke was meant to imply something about kiwi accents making them not a part of the anglosphere)
The huge gap between Portugal and Spain is surprising to me. I would have thought they’d be near identical in terms of English proficiency.
Portugal runs a lot of technology/near-shore outsourcing for across Europe where English is still a common collaboration language, where Spain supports a lot of Tourists across the Eurozone, and generally supports those tourists in multiple languages.
I’d expect this contributes at least partially to the difference.
In western coastal Turkey when I visited, there were English speakers everywhere. I’m sure as you head east that peters out
France?
Italy is so high that we are not in the list, take this! ||😭🙏||
