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Me over here who just liked problem solving and making things.
too many people be like this. well, they’re gonna have a rough awakening when the IT job market collapses.
“Make people study”? You’re mistaken. No one is making anyone study.
Charge people to study? You bet your ass they’ll take as many people as are willing to pay their overpriced fees. Finding a job after? Getting decent pay? That’s a you problem as far as they’re concerned.
Huh? First 9 years of school is absolutely mandatory where I come from, now 12 I think soon.
Then after 12 years of school you still need a degree for most job listings. That’s optional but it’s free so you’re seen as uneducated if you don’t get a degree.
There’s already a glut of tech workers. The IT job market already sucks
I don’t imagine AI is going to make it much worse
The glut of US tech workers is due to the excessive number of H1B visas being issued. This year, the number was almost the same, but slightly higher than the total number of US tech graduates. Why hire an expensive American new graduate when you can hire someone from India with 3-5 years of experience at 60% market rate instead?
Too many people like this have ruined the field.
If we hadn’t made this all 100% about the money the entire world would be running on the best possible software.
An example I’ll give is ghostty, where 1 guy who got rich enough to cash out gets to spend his time making insanely good software, using a somewhat risky pre 1.0 language that would never get approved by corporate/investors, just because he wants to and enjoys it. And he openly chastises people telling him to enshittify or turn it into a business, because he doesn’t need to.
The entire Web 2.0 was built on the exact same thing with pylons, Django, rails, flask, etc. being born out of people who just wanted to code.
If I had 5-10x more wealth so that I never had to worry about money, this is what I’d be doing too.
Actually, what I’d be doing is attending university classes every day and writing software and doing analysis on the side.
Sir, I need money for food.
Yeah I know. That’s why I work too.
I still think this field has been wrecked with greed and enshittification.
I think that should be directed towards the top, not people working for a living.
Devs who are devs for no other reason than money and who don’t give a shit about the quality of their work are a problem.
I don’t know you, but I’ll give you an example of someone I do know
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Didn’t give a crap about computers throughout highschool. Didn’t really know what he wanted to do in general
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Picks computer science last minute because it supposedly makes a lot of money
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Cruised through shitty community college doing the bare minimum, no side projects or any sign he’s even interested
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At graduation time, he barely knows how to code. Has a github profile with some homework assignments he was forced to do
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Is part of the job market now, competing against you and me.
I don’t know if he’s employed as a software engineer right now, but I’ve worked with people who obviously fit the same profile. People who expect real work to be as simple as submitting a homework assignment last minute using shit you copy pasted from SO (or I guess ChatGPT now), and then fucking off to enjoy life while your coworkers are burdened by your incompetence.
This is a field where actually giving a shit is a requirement.
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ghostty is recently a nonprofit, I didn’t know the creator’s backstory! https://linuxiac.com/ghostty-terminal-emulator-transitions-to-non-profit-status/
Good luck finding a job at all and especially if you’re in it only for the money
I wish I could say the same. I didn’t get into programming for the money, I got into it because it was the only thing I was any good at and generally wouldn’t discriminate against me because of my disability.
Because I thought computers would be less unpleasant to deal with than people.
Turns out they can be just as stupid, and I didn’t even get out of having to work with people either.
My intro to computer science professors said the problem with computer (sans the now rare hardware bug not worked around by the OS and lower layers) is that a computer will do exactly what you tell it to… And that’s where most bugs come from. I’ve found computers can do very silly things over the years due to operator error 🤕
For most software engineering jobs it’s actually more people work than computer work.
In the grand scheme of society, it’s kinda bonkers how there was such a short window to go to learn something like Web Development and get a job before it started being replaced. Basically a job that existed for ~30 years and won’t be around much longer.
(Yes I know AI is dumb, but it doesn’t matter if C-Suite execs think it can do it, they’ll replace jobs with AI)
Yeah that didn’t pan out
I just think computers are neat 🤷♂️
I like solving puzzles, and I have a knack for programming specifically
To do? Because there’s a chance I can do that without meds. To study? Because that’s kinda needed.
Yes and no, I don’t want to deal with people too much. But I’m in help desk so it’s only half true
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