Traditional initiation is a rite of passage into manhood for young males that is practiced by various ethnic groups in Africa, including parts of South Africa. Among them are the Xhosa, Ndebele, Sotho and Venda communities.
You see? You don’t even know what the procedure is for, and yet you claim some kind of altruism when advocating against it. You have been misled by right-wing propaganda, meant to discriminate against immigrants. Or, you’re just racist and think those people are barbarians for looking out for their children’s well-being in a way you don’t agree with.
Either way, you calling it “child abuse”, doesn’t mean it is.
It always amazes me how ignorant western men are about this subject. No wonder you view men that practice it as if they are barbaric or “lesser-than”. That’s how most bigotry works though…through ignorance.
The foreskin is highly susceptible to infection during early childhood. Especially in regions where cleaning the foreskin is not as easy. It’s a perfect example of how a common sense health measure becomes a cultural tradition.
I think it’s far more lazy to simply write it off as some kind of barbaric practice, instead of utilizing some critical thinking about why it’s so common.
Lol “western men.” Okay. You couldn’t sound more like an American man right now defending child genital mutilation. In any event, rambling incoherently about how evil western men are to defend child genital mutilation isn’t convincing anybody that your position has any merit, and most people in the developing world would find it weird.
They can even, if they’re very very creative/completionist or maybe in a different climate, abuse them in a way the culture I’m from didn’t. Reactionary fetishization of indigeneity is only very slightly better than instinctive condemnation of a thing because it’s unlike you.
Only you’re blowing it out of proportion to support the bullshit cultural agenda you started this stupid debate with. Now you’re switching tracks to make it about health and wellness?
As many as 20% of young boys will get an infection due to not being able to properly clean the tip of the penis before the foreskin can be retracted. Boys between the ages of 2 and 5 are at the highest risk of infection.
It’s always about the health and well-being of young boys. However, the differences in its acceptance are often cultural. Your culture views it as barbaric, and looks down on those that practice it.
That seems like it falls into the same category as ‘protecting your children from all the scary shit on the internet’.
Like, sure, but your action seems awfully severe and like it wouldn’t do that. Like the action and proclaimed goal have never been in the same room.
Plus modern western conceptions of pain are bullshit and I kind of think it exists purely as an excuse to abusive authority that can only be justified by the fact pain-fear is the dumbest easiest and therefore most-popular-among-authorities method of control, so physical cowardice has become a kind of synonym for loyalty/virtue. But that’s besides the point, I’m sure these infections you’re talking about are real and dangerous and not mostly made up hyperbolizing.
If this were about “looking out for their children’s well-being,” then wouldn’t they follow the suggestions of doctors and specialists in the field of pediatrics?
They do. The push to have circumcision banned in many EU countries is the result of a concerted effort by anti-immigrant groups, hoping to deter Muslims from settling in their countries. A lot of money is being invested in the effort, and the propaganda is thick with misinformation about the benefits and risks.
The cultural institution of pederasty practiced by the noble terf islander civilizations serves to impart a certain stoicism and strength of character to their future leaders. Its a valid cultural practice, and just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
You see? You don’t even know what the procedure is for, and yet you claim some kind of altruism when advocating against it. You have been misled by right-wing propaganda, meant to discriminate against immigrants. Or, you’re just racist and think those people are barbarians for looking out for their children’s well-being in a way you don’t agree with.
Either way, you calling it “child abuse”, doesn’t mean it is.
And you lazily hiding behind pure cultural relativism with absolutely no other explanation doesn’t make it not child abuse.
It always amazes me how ignorant western men are about this subject. No wonder you view men that practice it as if they are barbaric or “lesser-than”. That’s how most bigotry works though…through ignorance.
The foreskin is highly susceptible to infection during early childhood. Especially in regions where cleaning the foreskin is not as easy. It’s a perfect example of how a common sense health measure becomes a cultural tradition.
I think it’s far more lazy to simply write it off as some kind of barbaric practice, instead of utilizing some critical thinking about why it’s so common.
Lol “western men.” Okay. You couldn’t sound more like an American man right now defending child genital mutilation. In any event, rambling incoherently about how evil western men are to defend child genital mutilation isn’t convincing anybody that your position has any merit, and most people in the developing world would find it weird.
Yeah. I know in the southern hemisphere brushing your teeth can get really difficult too.
Fucking exoticizing fetishizing bullshit.
People not from my culture can abuse children.
They can even, if they’re very very creative/completionist or maybe in a different climate, abuse them in a way the culture I’m from didn’t. Reactionary fetishization of indigeneity is only very slightly better than instinctive condemnation of a thing because it’s unlike you.
Protecting your child from potentially painful infections during their early childhood, is not child abuse.
Only you’re blowing it out of proportion to support the bullshit cultural agenda you started this stupid debate with. Now you’re switching tracks to make it about health and wellness?
As many as 20% of young boys will get an infection due to not being able to properly clean the tip of the penis before the foreskin can be retracted. Boys between the ages of 2 and 5 are at the highest risk of infection.
It’s always about the health and well-being of young boys. However, the differences in its acceptance are often cultural. Your culture views it as barbaric, and looks down on those that practice it.
Shoooooosh!
That seems like it falls into the same category as ‘protecting your children from all the scary shit on the internet’.
Like, sure, but your action seems awfully severe and like it wouldn’t do that. Like the action and proclaimed goal have never been in the same room.
Plus modern western conceptions of pain are bullshit and I kind of think it exists purely as an excuse to abusive authority that can only be justified by the fact pain-fear is the dumbest easiest and therefore most-popular-among-authorities method of control, so physical cowardice has become a kind of synonym for loyalty/virtue. But that’s besides the point, I’m sure these infections you’re talking about are real and dangerous and not mostly made up hyperbolizing.
If this were about “looking out for their children’s well-being,” then wouldn’t they follow the suggestions of doctors and specialists in the field of pediatrics?
They do. The push to have circumcision banned in many EU countries is the result of a concerted effort by anti-immigrant groups, hoping to deter Muslims from settling in their countries. A lot of money is being invested in the effort, and the propaganda is thick with misinformation about the benefits and risks.
Everything I don’t like is racism.
So, you “like” all the anti-immigrant movements that are ongoing in the EU? Because that is racism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Lol! Were you just not paying attention to the comment you responded to, or are you just really confused about “whataboutism” means?
It’s like rain on your wedding day
You though, you’re totally clear and unpropagandized
I’m not the one using false equivalences and pseudo-science to create a narrative.
No, no, because you see doctors are secretly lizard people.
What’s your take on catholic priests abusing children?
That’s what you sound like.