Worse product and worse consumer practices (changing sockets every 2 generations) made it an easy choice to go with AMD.
DDR4 compatibility held on for a while though after AM5 was full DDR5.
The only real issue they had which has led to the current dire straits is the 13th/14th gen gradual failures from power/heat which they initially tried to claim didn’t exist. If that didn’t happen AMD would still have next to no market share.
You still find people swearing up and down that intel is the only way to go, even despite the true stagnation of progress on the processor side for a long, long time. A couple of cherry picked benchmarks where they lead by a miniscule amount is all they care about, scheduling / parking issues be damned.
Oh hell naw, the issues with Intel came up much sooner.
Ever since Ryzen came out, Intel just stagnated.
I don’t disagree that intel has been shit for a long time, but they were still the go to recommendation all the way through the 14th gen. It wasn’t until the 5800x3d came along that people started really looking at AMD for gaming… and if you’re not doing a prebuilt odds are you wanted the fastest processor, not the one that is most efficient.
I had a 5800x because I didn’t want yet another intel rig after a 4790k. Then I went on to the 5800x3d, before the 9800x3d now. The 5800x was behind intel, and for me it was just a stopgap anyway because a 5950x was not purchasable when I was building. It was just good enough.
As someone who lived through the fTPM firmware issue on AM4… I can confidently state that the tpm freezes were a dealbreaker. If you didn’t use fTPM and had the module disabled, or you updated your firmware after release you were fine - but the ftpm bug was for many, MANY years unsolved. It persisted for multiple generations. You could randomly freeze for a few seconds in any game (or any software) at any time… sometimes only once every few hours, sometimes multiple times in the span of a few minutes. That’s not usable by any stretch for gaming or anything important.
and if you’re not doing a prebuilt odds are you wanted the fastest processor, not the one that is most efficient.
strongly disagree. Prebuilds are mostly overpriced and/or have cheap components and in worst case proprietary connectors.
I build for the best bang for bucks, and at least in my bubble so do others.
Somehow I think you misunderstood my meaning.
Prebuilt have all kinds of hardware and unfortunately many users go with those. I offered to do a 265k 5070ti build for my brother’s girlfriend but he instead spent the same amount on a 265k 5070 32gb 5200mhz prebuilt. He does some dev work and she does a tiny amount of creative work and honestly I think he wanted to make sure her system was inferior to his. 1 year warranty and you have to pay to ship the whole system in if there’s any issues. He wouldn’t even consider AMD or going with a custom build like I do for myself and others (just finished another intel build over the weekend for a coworker, diehard intel even after the issues…)
In the custom build world I think you find more gamers and people who want the fastest gear they can afford, which is why we see gamers picking up AMD x3d chips today. They aren’t beaten and aren’t just the most expensive option.
AM5 as a platform still has issues with memory training, though it’s largely set it and forget it until you reboot after a month or dont have memory context restore enabled in bios.
I’m less familiar with the intel side nowadays despite literally just doing a build. They seem to win on boot times unless you accept the instability of AMD’s fast boot memory check bypass stuff. Getting a government bailout though is enough to make me want to avoid them indefinitely for my own gear so I doubt I’ll get much hands on with the current or next gen.
I’ve had AMDs since forever, my first own build with Phenom II.
They were always good, but Ryzens were just best.
Never used TPM, so can’t comment on that. And most people never used it,
But yes, so many hardcore Intel diehards, it’s almost funny if it wasn’t sad. Like Intels legacy of adding wattage to get nothing in return.
This might be true for the top of the line builds, but for any build from budget to just below that Ryzen has been a good and commonly recommended choice for a long time
I remember, it was a huge issue for programs. Developers were just not supporting other chipsets because Intel was faster than the competition and mostly cheaper. Then they got more expensive, did some shitty business to MINIX and stayed the same speed wise.
So now we see what actual competition does.
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So the editor asked AI to come up with an image for the title “Gamers desert Intel in droves” and so we get a half-baked pic of a CPU in the desert.
Am I close?
Could be worse.
Could have been “gamers dessert Intel in droves”
Looks like bad photoshop more than AI
Just upgraded from an i7-6600k to an RX 7800x3D. Obviously a big upgrade no matter if I went AMD or Intel but I’m loving this new CPU. I had an AMD Athlon XP in the early 2000’s that was excellent so I’ve always had a positive feeling towards AMD.
I played through mass effect 3 when it was new on a discount AMD laptop with an igpu. Granted it was definitely not on max setting, but it wasn’t with everything turned all the way down either.
So happy I chose to go with AM4 board years ago. Was able to go from Zen+ CPU to X3D CPU.
I remember people said back then people usually don’t upgrade their CPU, so its not that much a selling point. But, people didn’t upgrade because they couldn’t due to constant socket changes on the Intel side.
My fps numbers were very happy after the CPU upgrade, and I didn’t have to get a new board and new set of ram.
Goodbye Intel, goodbye Microsoft, follow steamOS compatibility, to see what the in demand hardware will be.
I wish AMD has better pcie pass through for the iGPU than Intel. My jellyfin is on Intel because I have hardware encoding support.
My approach was simply to setup Jellyfin in an unprivileged container that way the GPU can be shared with other services setup similarly
I have to lower my 12th Gen cpu multiplier to stop constant crashing when playing UE games, because everything is overlooked at the factory so they could keep up with AMD performance. Fuck Intel.
Also lot of handheld options like Steam Deck use AMD as well. Not sure how big of a factor this is overall.
Intel and their last couple of processor generations were a failure. AMD, on the other hand, been consistent. Look at all these tiny AMD APUs that can run C2077 on a 35W computer that fits in the palm of a hand? Valve is about to drop a nuclear bomb on nvidia, intel and microslop with Gabecube.
One can only dream about people fleeing x86-64 and going ARM or, even better, RISC-V.
But no, it’s only changing the collar to the dog. But the dog stays the same.
Why though? X Elite lags x86 on battery life, performance and compatibility (and you can’t really run Linux on X Elite).
I am not a fan of Intel, AMD, Nvidia, but what’s the point of moving to ARM for the sake of moving?
Unlike most, I actually have been running ARM on home server for almost a decade. For that use case it makes sense because it’s cheap and well supported.
It would be better to switch to RISC-V because it has no problems with patents and everyone can build a RISC-V CPU, not only 2 companies.
I would be happy to, but it’s currently not an option for desktop/laptop.
Would be great for an SBC where the OS and apps are open source and performance is less of an issue.
ARM has all the same drawbacks as x86 and it’s not a Deus Ex machina that gives high performance at low power consumption because of magic.
Imagine Europe pushing RISC-V and sharing upgrades with China¹. The power of the flagship would soon reach ARM or even x86-64 in a few years.
¹ China is already using RISC-V as much as they can.
I would support that, but it would require European unity and a strategic decision to make a permanent break with the US.
That second number…
:: needing to fertilize a tree intensifies::
