Well, then Poland should quickly order more US tanks, just like Denmark recently ordered more F-35 to show what they think of the US threats…
I still don’t know if it’s funny or sad how always those loudly talking are then competing on who can kiss the US’ ass better.
They also ordered 500 Korean tanks. Diversification is a thing, you know.
That’s not so much done for diversification but geography and economics.
Poland has regions where -just like in Ukraine- the average Western tank is at times to heavy to operate properly. The K2 is more than 10 tons lighter and Poland scrapped several original requirements to keep it that light because that’s the whole point. Also the K2PL variant additionally comes with (partly) modular composite armor.
And Poland wants domestic production (and the neccessary tech transfer to facilitate it). Something that South Korea is allowing for better footing in the wider European market.
That doesn’t make the decision for US Abrams as the main tank better.
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Didn’t it also became public the US could remotely “turn off” these F-35?
As far as I understand it, this is a (social) media exaggeration. But a lot of the F-35’s capabilities, in particular the stealth and networking that are the main selling point, depend on constant adaptions and updates of the electronic systems.
Sure, we can talk about conspiracy theories of a possible killswitch backdoor hidden in the code. But that wouldn’t even be F-35 specific. The more interesting aspect is logistics/spares and software updates for that very high-maintenance jet with modern electronics.
This must be the tenth time a European leader has said something like this. PROPOSE SOMETHING CONCRETE, YOU MORONS. I’m not going to draft the treaty that puts that on paper; you do it, that’s what you’re paid for, you damn idiot.
I think that European politicians talking about dissolving Europe should be considered traitors. Every single time when something leaks about politicians or influencers having weird positive opinions on Russia, it turns out they’ve been paid to do so.
Unite Europe, it’s possibly the last bastion against fascism
what do we do with traitors?
European Federation
Europa
Republic of Europe
Federation of Europe
I like it it. Just don’t do United States of Europe. That would be crap.
Europe’s lemma is United in diversity. We could remain as separate sovereign states, you know.
I disagree. We need a united front against the US and other powers. Especially our outwards responses are mired in long discussions where every country needs to have a say. We need a federal or super-national entity that decides upon these things without requiring every grain of sand to have input.
If we remain sovereign states, we will never see ourselves as “Europeans” but “French”, “German”, “Slovakian”, etc. We don’t have a “European” passport and it shows. There is no European identity just a mashup of multiple countries that think about themselves first and Europe second.
We have a centralized place to take decisions: the European Council and Parliament.
And I (and many others) would not like to lose sovereignty just because the European government cannot coordinate our nations.
That’s shortsighted and selfish thinking. The US needs people like you to be able to break up our union.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Join%2C_or_Die
It never is the full union from the start.
Join or Die
Unite or it’s Finished
Same thing.
Not gonna happen. The EU has a joint GDP as large as China but Europe is stuck in nationalism and not getting over its imperialist past in terms of mindset.
IMO all kids in the EU would need to learn native level English from kindergarten on next to their native tongue and English would need to become an official language next to the local language if applicable in all EU countries.
And then all administrative matters and everything would need to be bilingual. Then Europe could use its immense cultural heritage, history in unionizing, strong labor laws and social security networks (that should become EU wide) to attract skilled people.
But for that people would have to get over the idea that they are somehow superior to other cultures, which is not gonna happen, so an Indian software engineer will rather go somewhere else than e.g. Germany because they don’t want to be treated like shit.
its imperialist past in terms of mindset
is still viral.
Then Europe could use its immense cultural heritage, history in unionizing, strong labor laws and social security networks (that should become EU wide) to attract skilled people.
That won’t ever happen, the people running the EU are neolibs through and through and they’ve been dismantling all that for 30 years.
Yeah unfortunately I agree with you.
Yeah, sucks in many ways, but it is the only realistic way forward
Shit I really don’t want to agree with the militarists but… yea
I don’t think the US is a threat to the European continent at all. Cheeto Jesus and the Republican cult are obsessed with the A in USA to include all of America, North and South, which includes Greenland. If the US becomes focused on expansion throughout America, then the big threat to Europe would be unchecked Russian aggression. Meanwhile, China continues to quietly expand deep and significant influence in Africa.
It’s all fucked. The mechanisms of globalization are being exploited by a few nations in order to hoard it all amongst themselves. At least, that’s my opinion. It’s not meant as a statement of fact.
The USA’s recently published National Security Strategy explicitly states that the USA will work to undermine European democracies to protect Europe from “civilizational erasure” (which means the same as “white genocide” or “the existence of non-whites and non-fascists”). Europe has the USA, Russia and China all working actively to undermine it, and the USA and Russia are both doing so by covertly funding and supporting fascists against everyone else, while both gearing up for military attacks on European nations. Meanwhile European leaders are queuing up to praise and appease Trump in the hopes that he’ll be nice to them. I don’t see how you can be so confident.
I think my comment was misunderstood (I am sure my wording was poor). Will the US try to exert influence and attempt to derail the political process in Europe? Absolutely. Will the US physically attack Europe like it does in the Americas and other places across the globe? No way. Will the US defend Europe from attacks by Russia? Only if its assets are threatened.
American colonialism is, at the moment and foreseeable future, focused on the Americas IMHO.
France nukes Russian bases, Moscow and St. Peterberg simultaneously. The Russian threat is all retaliatory with 0% chance of success as an end game. Then concentrate 100% on dealing with EU defense and security. Suddenly, Greenland is off the table.
Seriously the polish prime minister is DONALD TUSK???
What of it?
Hurry up and team up with Mercosur, those guys are also under threat of the annoying orange.
